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Discussion Groups / English Usage / February 2010Vachss: rolled in
Hello: Do you recognize "rolled in" as "nabbed/grabbed/arrested?" What exactly is a "cotton shirt, button cuffs?" All the cuffs have buttons nowadays:-) already fixed on the cuff or removable. Is he perhaps talking about cuffs allowing cuff links? And is it "sportscoat" or "sportcoat? Both seem possible, but ... --- [P.I. Burke's dressing up to avoid being mistreated by the police in the eventuality of an arrest] An old leather sportcoat; plain white cotton shirt, button cuffs; a black knit tie. All that camouflage wouldn't stop me from being rolled in, but it might stop the cops from being too forceful about it. Andrew Vachss, Strega, p. 117 ---- -- Thanks. Marius Hancu > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Andrew Vachss, Strega, p. 117 BrE "sports jacket", sometimes "sports coat", AmE "sport coat" or apparently as here "sportcoat". Button cuffs = today's usual cuffs. A formal shirt of (approx) 1850 to 1960 had cuffs with no buttons and two buttonholes, held together by a cufflink through them. -- >> Hello: >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >no buttons and two buttonholes, held together >by a cufflink through them. I still have, and wear, shirts with French cuffs, and they were purchased within the last year. French cuffs are double cuffs that require cuff links.  SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > >> Do you recognize "rolled in" as "nabbed/grabbed/arrested?" How about the above? > >> What exactly is a > >> "cotton shirt, button cuffs?" [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > purchased within the last year. French cuffs are double cuffs that > require cuff links. Thank you both. Marius Hancu > > >> Do you recognize "rolled in" as "nabbed/grabbed/arrested?" > > How about the above? No, but I might have seen it in a detective story and passed it without noticing. The key word, as you figured out, is "in". > > >> What exactly is a > > >> "cotton shirt, button cuffs?" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > >> An old leather sportcoat; Anything else would work better for the purpose stated than leather. > > >> plain white cotton shirt, button cuffs; a > > >> black knit tie. Talk about nostalgia. Are knit ties due for a comeback? > > >> All that camouflage wouldn't stop me from being rolled > > >> in, but it might stop the cops from being too forceful about it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > >BrE "sports jacket", sometimes "sports coat", > > >AmE "sport coat" or apparently as here "sportcoat". A "sports jacket" in AmE (or myE) would be a jacket to wear while playing sports, if we didn't have "warm-up jacket". > > >Button cuffs = today's usual cuffs. A formal > > >shirt of (approx) 1850 to 1960 had cuffs with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > purchased within the last year. French cuffs are double cuffs that > > require cuff links. Incidentally, "button cuffs" tells us he's not wearing a short-sleeved shirt with his sportcoat. (If Richard Fontana were around, he'd like me to mention the character Andy Sipowicz from /NYPD Blue/.) Just saying "long-sleeved" would raise the possibility of such a fashion faux pas. -- Jerry Friedman > > > >> plain white cotton shirt, button cuffs; a > > > >> black knit tie. > > Talk about nostalgia. Are knit ties due for a comeback? This is a 1987 novel, I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Vachss Thanks. Marius Hancu > > > > >> plain white cotton shirt, button cuffs; a > > > > >> black knit tie. > > > Talk about nostalgia. Are knit ties due for a comeback? > > This is a 1987 novel, I think.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Vachss That's why I mentioned nostalgia. Possibly they made a comeback and I didn't notice. http://www.liketotally80s.com/images/knit-tie-today.jpg (which refers to a 2007 catalog). Or possibly it's soon to get to northern New Mexico. Mohawks (=BrE "Mohicans"?) are popular again here, and Wikipedia says the trend started in the early 2000s. (Actually, most of what I see are "fauxhawks"--no shaving the sides, so you just have to comb your hair differently before your job interview.) -- Jerry Friedman >> > > > >> plain white cotton shirt, button cuffs; a >> > > > >> black knit tie. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >(which refers to a 2007 catalog). I'll check the closet and see if I still have any Rooster ties. I checked Google and Rooster is still making ties, but the knit Roosters are probably considered "vintage". I suppose tie tacks are also vintage. There was a tie shop on South Michigan Avenue in Chicago that sold $1 Wembley ties in the early 60s. I think that was the brand that helpfully added "Wear with (color) suits" on the label. Down the street was the Sulka store where ties were more expensive. I never owned a Sulka tie, but I bought a pearl gray Countess Mara tie once. Spilled coffee on it the first, and last, day I wore it. There was $15 down the drain when $15 was a major investment in a tie. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >Mohawks (=BrE >"Mohicans"?) They certainly used to be called "Mohicans" in BrE but more recently they seem to be "Mohawks". I noticed the change of name a few years ago and wondered whether the hairstyles were different. I did not conduct a nit-picking investigation. They seem to be different names for the same general hairstyle. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >> > >> Do you recognize "rolled in" as "nabbed/grabbed/arrested?" >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Anything else would work better for the purpose stated than leather. I don't think I'd call a leather or suede jacket a "sportcoat". Even a leather jacket cut similar to a sportcoat would still be a leather jacket to me. There are a bazillion hits on Google that show that there are leather sportcoats, but it just not a term I associate with a leather jacket. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:56:25 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman > > <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote: ... > >> > >> [P.I. Burke's dressing up to avoid being mistreated by the police in > >> > >> the eventuality of an arrest] [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > there are leather sportcoats, but it just not a term I associate with > a leather jacket. I must agree, though a tie might influence me toward thinking of it as a sportcoat. -- Jerry Friedman > Do you recognize "rolled in" as "nabbed/grabbed/arrested?" It's not familiar, but I agree that that's what it must mean in the quoted passage. SignatureMark Brader | "Of course, the most important part of making the Toronto | proposal something special for both of you is msb@vex.net | addressing it to the right person." --Mara Chibnik >> Do you recognize "rolled in" as "nabbed/grabbed/arrested?" > >It's not familiar, but I agree that that's what it must mean in the >quoted passage. I think it is more than the action of being arrested. It suggests being taken to the police station. There are two possibilities. "Rolled in" might mean being taken in a vehicle. Or it might be figurative. He has no choice about where he goes. He is being propelled as though on wheels, like a cart/trolley. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>> Do you recognize "rolled in" as "nabbed/grabbed/arrested?" >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > figurative. He has no choice about where he goes. He is being > propelled as though on wheels, like a cart/trolley. [An old leather sportcoat; plain white cotton shirt, button cuffs; a black knit tie. All that camouflage wouldn't stop me from being rolled in, but it might stop the cops from being too forceful about it.] I agree, and I think there may be some additional possibilities. To roll in (intransitive) is to arrive casually; this might be the transitive use of that idiom. Also, to roll (transitive) is to assault and overpower, to mug. The police might take him in forcefully, but he hopes not too forcefully. Or he might be taken in by paddywagon. (I had never thought about it, but the expression must have begun as an ethnic slur.) Looking at the description of the character's wardrobe, I get the impression that he was dressing for hard use as well as respectability. Another possibly relevant expression using "roll in" is "roll (someone) in the sh.t". >>>> Do you recognize "rolled in" as "nabbed/grabbed/arrested?" >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > respectability. Another possibly relevant expression using "roll > in" is "roll (someone) in the sh.t". "Rolled in" might be used to invoke awareness of the entire process of arrest, transport, and booking. In the outlying honor camps of the San Diego County system, "rolled up" meant returned to the more restrictive jail environment, almost always because of some misbehavior. I believe it came from the olden days when an inmate would be told to roll up his mattress and pack his belongings for the transfer. He was referred to as "a rollup", which similarly offered a good deal of information in compact form. SignatureFrank ess >>>> Do you recognize "rolled in" as "nabbed/grabbed/arrested?" >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >respectability. Another possibly relevant expression using "roll in" >is "roll (someone) in the sh.t". I think "roll in" can be likened to "round up" in the sense of collecting. In those towns where the mayor likes to see lots of arrests to show that the PD is active, the police do a round up of suspicious-looking characters to check outstanding warrants or to do them for vagrancy. If you're fairly well dressed you might be overlooked or not get too severely mauled on the way to the precinct. SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England > >>>> Do you recognize "rolled in" as "nabbed/grabbed/arrested?" > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I think "roll in" can be likened to "round up" in the sense of > collecting. Indeed. > In those towns where the mayor likes to see lots of > arrests to show that the PD is active, the police do a round up of > suspicious-looking characters to check outstanding warrants or to do > them for vagrancy. If you're fairly well dressed you might be > overlooked or not get too severely mauled on the way to the precinct. Thank you all. Marius Hancu |
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