Who are the 'Lions'?
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Bernhard - 25 Feb 2010 12:07 GMT I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) where the chorus runs like this: "you'll hear those mighty lion's roar, WE'RE ENGLAND, ENGLAND, ENGLAND" Who is meant by the "lions' . Does that refer to a particular football club or is it just the spectators? Thanks for any help. Bernhard
John Dean - 25 Feb 2010 12:33 GMT > I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Who is meant by the "lions' . Does that refer to a particular > football club or is it just the spectators? The England soccer shirt has three lions by way of logo. You can see brief examples in the video you cite. It's a recurring theme in our football songs. Here's one we made earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQu8tk8V0LE
Here's a recent shirt with a close-up of the moggies: http://www.football-shirts.co.uk/fans/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/nikeenglandshirt.jpg
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Mike Lyle - 25 Feb 2010 12:42 GMT >> I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song >> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Here's a recent shirt with a close-up of the moggies: > http://www.football-shirts.co.uk/fans/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/nikeenglandshirt.jpg And who could forget those immortal words, "Free lines onna shir' "?
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Django Cat - 25 Feb 2010 15:20 GMT > > > I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song > > > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > And who could forget those immortal words, "Free lines onna shir' "? Ah yes, "30 years of shirt, Tum te tum for England...".
The usual sniveling reaction when England get knocked out of International Footy competitions is known in this household as "Thirtyyearsofshirtism". I'm hoping it might catch on...
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Steve Hayes - 25 Feb 2010 23:28 GMT >> > > I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song >> > > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >International Footy competitions is known in this household as >"Thirtyyearsofshirtism". I'm hoping it might catch on... And then there was the counterblast: 1966 was a great year for English football: Eric Cantona was born.
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Django Cat - 26 Feb 2010 06:20 GMT > >> > > I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song > >> > > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > And then there was the counterblast: 1966 was a great year for English > football: Eric Cantona was born. That was on an advert wasn't it? Remind us?
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Steve Hayes - 26 Feb 2010 11:03 GMT >> > The usual sniveling reaction when England get knocked out of >> > International Footy competitions is known in this household as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >That was on an advert wasn't it? Remind us? I can't remember -- advert, T-shirt, something.
I just remember thinking it was funny after hearing the snivelling song.
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tsuidf - 26 Feb 2010 23:06 GMT > Ah yes, "30 years of shirt, Tum te tum for England...". I thought in football usage it was 'Eng-uh-lund.' Or is that only in connection with vindaloo? Popular culture can be so confusing.
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John Dean - 26 Feb 2010 23:35 GMT >> Ah yes, "30 years of shirt, Tum te tum for England...". > > I thought in football usage it was 'Eng-uh-lund.' Or is that only in > connection with vindaloo? Popular culture can be so confusing. Ha ha. It can be either. The spare syllable is carried in the head singer's backpack to be brought out as required.
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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 25 Feb 2010 12:35 GMT >I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song >(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Thanks for any help. >Bernhard It refers to the England national football team.
A shield with three lions is an emblem of England: http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/images/coatofarms.png
The three lions are used in the logo of the English Football Association: http://www.irfo.ir/images/logos/fa_the-football-association.jpg http://www.england-team.com/football/shirts/englandshirt3.jpg
They are also used in the logo of the England cricket team http://www.cricshop.com/images/productimages/1/ECBSUN09.jpg http://www.cricshop.com/images/productimages/1/CS613207.jpg
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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 25 Feb 2010 13:02 GMT >>I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song >>(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >http://www.cricshop.com/images/productimages/1/ECBSUN09.jpg >http://www.cricshop.com/images/productimages/1/CS613207.jpg There is also a Rugby Union team called the British and Irish Lions. This team logo has a single lion at the top and then the Red Rose of England, the Scottish Thistle, the Shamrock of Ireland and the Prince of Wales Feathers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_Lions_Rugby.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_Irish_Lions
In the context of Rugby Union, "English Lions" means English members of the British and Irish Lions team.
In all other sporting contexts (that I can think of) "English Lions" means the England national team or members of that team.
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Bernhard - 25 Feb 2010 13:19 GMT Great! Thank you all! Bernhard
>I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song >(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks for any help. > Bernhard Derek Turner - 25 Feb 2010 13:36 GMT > I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) where the chorus runs like [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thanks for any help. > Bernhard <quote> When Richard I came to the throne, so too did his personal coat of arms. The 'three lions passant guardant in pale' appeared in gold on a red background. Before this point, only two golden lions had adorned a red crest, following the Norman Conquest of 1066 (the House of Normandy). Then following the succession of King Henry II (the House of Plantagenet) in 1158, it became one golden lion. Differing stories will have you believe that Richard's lions were based on the original Normandy arms, with an extra lion added to represent the ongoing Anglo-Norman alliance. Another story will tell us that two leopards were combined with another from Aquitaine, a region in South-West France, on the acquisition of more territories to the crown. But the more cynical will tell you that it was simply down to an artist being only bothered to design three lions for England, just as they had designed only two for Normandy. The number of lions had no apparent significance, as this was Heraldic Coats of Arms in its infancy, based on decoration, above any other reason. Yet another version could be more simple, King Richard simply brought together the lions of Normandy and Plantagenet, and created the new Three Lions. A simple case of mathematics. Some things can be explained simply, instead of complicating matters.
The lions themselves do hold significance. There are so many Heraldic Lions, that the very stance of each means something. These three lions are, 'lion rampant guardant', a walking lion. The dexter forepaw is raised, with the other three paws remaining on the ground, and the head turned to face the spectator. It is these three lions that make up the England Coat of Arms. This Lion of England can only be used when it has been honourably warranted, that is, Royalty must give its express permission for its use. So it is the Royal Monarch of the United Kingdom that own the three lions, not the Football Association, as we may believe.
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Prai Jei - 25 Feb 2010 21:53 GMT Derek Turner set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum:
> The lions themselves do hold significance. There are so many Heraldic > Lions, that the very stance of each means something. These three lions [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > permission for its use. So it is the Royal Monarch of the United Kingdom > that own the three lions, not the Football Association, as we may believe. On one memorable occasion our cat was walking across our garden, from right to left as seen from indoors. A playful tap at the window, and she froze in a perfect "passant guardant" pose for a few seconds before walking on. The message seemed to be, "I am aware of you, but if you don't bother me and let me go on my way, I won't bother you."
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Django Cat - 26 Feb 2010 06:23 GMT > Derek Turner set the following eddies spiralling through the > space-time continuum: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > before walking on. The message seemed to be, "I am aware of you, but > if you don't bother me and let me go on my way, I won't bother you." What a perfect principle for the national team that is.
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Prai Jei - 25 Feb 2010 21:57 GMT Derek Turner set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum:
> The lions themselves do hold significance. There are so many Heraldic > Lions, that the very stance of each means something. These three lions > are, 'lion rampant guardant', a walking lion. The pose you describe is passant not rampant. The latter pose is where the creature depicted is standing on its hind legs, with both front paws off the ground, like the Scottish lion.
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Derek Turner - 26 Feb 2010 08:02 GMT > The pose you describe is passant not rampant. The latter pose is where > the creature depicted is standing on its hind legs, with both front paws > off the ground, like the Scottish lion. Not I, I was merely quoting from a web-site (cut and paste). But you are right, and I think they get it right elsewhere in the quote?
John Dean - 26 Feb 2010 11:42 GMT > Derek Turner set the following eddies spiralling through the > space-time continuum: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > where the creature depicted is standing on its hind legs, with both > front paws off the ground, like the Scottish lion. They're all here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attitude_(heraldry)
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Don Phillipson - 25 Feb 2010 13:45 GMT > I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Who is meant by the "lions' . Does that refer to a particular football club > or is it just the spectators? The British lion has long been a heraldic character symbolizing the British people (as the black eagle symbolizes the German people and the rooster the French.)
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Chuck Riggs - 27 Feb 2010 13:46 GMT >> I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song >> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >symbolizes the German people and the rooster >the French.) I think the Bald Eagle symbolizes America, not the American people.
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Chuck Riggs, An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE
Dr Peter Young - 25 Feb 2010 14:45 GMT > I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks for any help. > Bernhard The England Rugby Football team.
With best wishes,
Peter.
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Steve Hayes - 25 Feb 2010 15:19 GMT >> I just came across a You Tube Video with a football song >> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m3EJwoixw) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >The England Rugby Football team. No, the England ASSOCIATION Football Team
The Rugby Lions are
1. the BRITISH Rugby Union Football Team 2. The South Gauteng Rugby Football Team
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