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Marius Hancu - 27 Feb 2010 09:15 GMT
Hello:

Several items:

1. What is the meaning of "brought you up"
in
"brought you up to think?"
It looks as
"made you (to) think"
to me.

2. "The thing"
in "to think it the thing"
does it mean
"The best/appropriate thing to do?"

3. "Darkened parlor"
talks about their parlor being decorated for mourning
or about
the very lying in state of their son in that place?

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Home Burial

...
What was it brought you up to think it the thing
To take your mother-loss of a first child
So inconsolably—in the face of love.
...
What had how long it takes a birch to rot
To do with what was in the darkened parlor?
You _couldn't_ care!
...
Robert Frost, p. 51
http://www.poemtree.com/poems/HomeBurial.htm
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Thanks.
Marius Hancu
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 27 Feb 2010 12:42 GMT
>Hello:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>"made you (to) think"
>to me.

More like "taught".

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1
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   bring up    
   transitive verb

   2. rear child: to provide care, training, and education for a child
      until maturity

>2. "The thing"
>in "to think it the thing"
>does it mean
>"The best/appropriate thing to do?"

"The appropriate/right/proper thing to do."

>3. "Darkened parlor"
>talks about their parlor being decorated for mourning
>or about
>the very lying in state of their son in that place?

 What had how long it takes a birch to rot
 To do with what was in the darkened parlor?

I think that "was" means "had been". The baby's body had been in the
darkened parlor. The parlor is presumably still darkened. Custons vary,
but a very common one is to close the curtains (drapes) at the windows,
particularly, at the front of a house in which someone has died as a
sign of mourning. The closed curtains wold naturally result in the
rooms, in this case the parlor, being darkened.

>-----
>Home Burial
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>Thanks.
>Marius Hancu

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Cheryl - 27 Feb 2010 12:47 GMT
> Hello:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> "made you (to) think"
> to me.

'What' is odd in that context. "Who' would be more natural. 'Brought you
up to' usually means the things your parents made a great effort to
teach you to do when you were a child, or else, their efforts to prepare
you for a specific profession.

Examples:
"How can you be so rude to that old lady? I'm sure your parents brought
you up to be polite to the elderly!"

"The Johnsons brought their oldest boy up to follow in his father's
footsteps and become a doctor.

> 2. "The thing"
> in "to think it the thing"
> does it mean
> "The best/appropriate thing to do?"

Yes, the thing to do. Who/what taught you as a child that the
best/proper thing to do..

> 3. "Darkened parlor"
> talks about their parlor being decorated for mourning
> or about
> the very lying in state of their son in that place?

Not decorating, lying in state (although that phase is usually used of
dignitaries). In the old days, the bodies of family members would be
laid out, often in the best room of the house, the parlour or living
room. It would be darkened - I think that in some areas, all the drapes
and blinds in a house would be closed after a death.

The bereaved mother can't bear the memory of her husband talking about
something ordinary like birch fencing and taking care of digging the
grave while their son lay dead in the parlour. The father wants to talk
of his dead son, but her grief is so extreme and unrelenting that
neither of them can find comfort or consolation with the other.

It's a very powerful poem.

> -----
> Home Burial
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Thanks.
> Marius Hancu

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Cheryl

Marius Hancu - 27 Feb 2010 16:22 GMT
> > Several items:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> 'What' is odd in that context. "Who' would be more natural.

Interesting you're saying this.

> 'Brought you
> up to' usually means the things your parents made a great effort to
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> "The Johnsons brought their oldest boy up to follow in his father's
> footsteps and become a doctor.

I know this meaning, but in the context the question seems to be:
"What _determined/made_ you think?"

> > 2. "The thing"
> > in "to think it the thing"
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> It's a very powerful poem.

Indeed.
Even though I take this to be closer to prose, really.  But this
doesn't matter.

Thank you both.
Marius Hancu
 
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