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Discussion Groups / English Usage / April 2010Imaginaire
Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? I gather it is a theoretical term, possibly related to anthropology, but have not been able to find an explanation of its meaning.  SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? > I gather it is a theoretical term, possibly related to anthropology, but have > not been able to find an explanation of its meaning. If you understand French, this: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginaire_social might help. I don't understand a word of it! With best wishes, Peter. SignaturePeter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004. (US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired. http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk >> Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginaire_social >might help. I don't understand a word of it! Nor do I, unfortunately, but I did gather that the originator of the concept was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Castoriadis so I'll read that, and see if it illuminates the subject. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk >> Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginaire_social > might help. I don't understand a word of it! "L’imaginaire social est un magma de significations sociales...". Given that "magma" means the same in French as it does in English I think we can safely conclude from the 6th word that this is a typical example of the sort of pseudo-scientific claptrap beloved of people who think that inventing silly new terms is a contribution to philosophy. Signatureathel >>> Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the sort of pseudo-scientific claptrap beloved of people who think that > inventing silly new terms is a contribution to philosophy. Perhaps it was written under the influence of the Icelandic dust cloud. SignatureLes (BrE) >>> Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the sort of pseudo-scientific claptrap beloved of people who think that > inventing silly new terms is a contribution to philosophy. Was it not in this very group that Rob Bannister pointed out, a couple of days ago, that lean meat did not brown by the textbook mechanism? The French, in the person of the playwright Molière, had the answer. Overcook roast duck and you end up with a Maillard imaginaire. This would be a more satisfactory line if duck weren't so fat. I thought this was what Steve was asking about. Signaturefranzi On Apr 28, 3:48 pm, franzi <et.in.arcadia.fra...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >>> Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > I thought this was what Steve was asking about. The richest woman in town has quarreled too many times with the best cook: "'Oh, dear, I had promised a duck for your last dinner, Francis, but this doesn't seem to be a duck, does it? So what I said must have been /un canard/.' "'Certainly /un canard/, and this is /un malard imaginaire/, Mary- Ben.'" Robertson Davies, /What's Bred in the Bone/ (a favorite of mine). http://books.google.com/books?id=cEcqAQAAIAAJ&q=malard+imaginaire&ei=QLnZS_-HB4X cygSziIy6CQ&cd=2 The Liste francaise des oiseaux du Monde prefers /canard colvert/ for / Anas platyrhynchos/, but /canard malard/ is another possibility, fortunately for the pun. http://www.digimages.info/listeoiseauxmonde/index.html Evil frames. Click on "Anseriformes" and search for "platyrhynchos" if you care. -- Jerry Friedman > On Apr 28, 3:48 pm, franzi <et.in.arcadia.fra...@googlemail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > http://books.google.com/books?id=cEcqAQAAIAAJ&q=malard+imaginaire&ei=... The Owl who Mistook his Aunt's Hat for a Skunk. Haven't I met something thatlike before? Grammatically speaking, it must be cast in the evocative case. > The Liste francaise des oiseaux du Monde prefers /canard colvert/ for / > Anas platyrhynchos/, but /canard malard/ is another possibility, > fortunately for the pun. A mallard is a duck, in English. Whether that maps to French I don't know. Presumably it does, since /canard malard/ implies a mallard kind of duck. > http://www.digimages.info/listeoiseauxmonde/index.html > > Evil frames. I'm inclined to agree. > Click on "Anseriformes" and search for "platyrhynchos" > if you care. I did care, but "Anseriformes (198)" wasn't a link. I didn't care enough to try a workaround. -- franzi > The richest woman in town has quarreled too many times with the best > cook: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > "'Certainly /un canard/, and this is /un malard imaginaire/, Mary- > Ben.'" 'It's a mistake, I'm a drake'. The punch line to some long forgotten joke. >>> Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >the sort of pseudo-scientific claptrap beloved of people who think that >inventing silly new terms is a contribution to philosophy. Indeed, and the social sciences seem particularly prone to that kind of thing. I once edited a sociology text and by the end of it still was not sure whether the author intended "articulation" and "articulated" to mean "clearly-spoken" or "jointed". But when people insist on using such terms it would be useful to know what the author's intended meaning (if any) is. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > "L'imaginaire social est un magma de significations sociales...". Given > that "magma" means the same in French as it does in English Not quite... It does of course mean "volcanic magma" but it also means "morass"; what Larousse glosses as a "melange confus de choses abstraites". Which I think is very fitting for the whole article! Pierre SignaturePierre Jelenc The Gigometer www.gigometer.com The NYC Beer Guide www.nycbeer.org >> "L'imaginaire social est un magma de significations sociales...". Given >> that "magma" means the same in French as it does in English [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pierre There's a smegma of truth in that assessment. >> Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginaire_social >might help. I don't understand a word of it! Nor do I, unfortunately, but I did gather that the originator of the concept was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Castoriadis so I'll read that, and see if it illuminates the subject. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > >> Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Nor do I, unfortunately, And knowing French does not help, believe me! Pierre SignaturePierre Jelenc The Gigometer www.gigometer.com The NYC Beer Guide www.nycbeer.org >> >> Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >And knowing French does not help, believe me! I suppose much the same could have been said of the English in the text where I first encountered the term. "Pentecostalism constitutes not only a discourse within modernity, but also a discourse about modernity, insofar as it elaborates a series of reflections on the present, adopting and adapting modernity's techniques, discourses, and practices into a new imaginaire. " And a couple of paragraphs later it uses "bricolage" in a context where it is equally incomprehensible. I haven't encountered "magma" yet. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk >I haven't encountered "magma" yet. [a.u.e only] The volcano in Iceland has recently been spreading its bounty far and wide - it has been magmanimous. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >> I haven't encountered "magma" yet. >> > [a.u.e only] > > The volcano in Iceland has recently been spreading its bounty far and > wide - it has been magmanimous. Well, what what else would you expect? Iceland is sitting on a mid-ocean ridge, which is a spreading centre. SignatureRegards John for mail: my initials plus a u e at tpg dot com dot au > >> >> Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the present, adopting and adapting modernity's techniques, discourses, and > practices into a new imaginaire. " Any author who uses "adopting and adapting" is manifestly sacrificing clear thought for linguistic bling, and should be consigned to the wpb toot sweet. > And a couple of paragraphs later it uses "bricolage" in a context where it is > equally incomprehensible. That just goes to show. You weren't toot sweet enough. > I haven't encountered "magma" yet. You'd return hot foot if you had. -- franzi > Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? > > I gather it is a theoretical term, possibly related to anthropology, > but have not been able to find an explanation of its meaning. Patrice Flichy, in _The Internet Imaginaire_, glosses it as a "collective vision". SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |It's like grasping the difference 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |between what one usually considers Palo Alto, CA 94304 |a 'difficult' problem, and what |*is* a difficult problem. The day kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |one understands *why* counting all (650)857-7572 |the molecules in the Universe isn't |difficult...there's the leap. http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ | Tina Marie Holmboe >> Can anyone tell me what "imaginaire" means? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Patrice Flichy, in _The Internet Imaginaire_, glosses it as a > "collective vision". LEO translates it into German as "Vorstellungswelt", which could be something like "world of make-believe". Various contributions to Proz [1] suggest vision, imagination, etc., depending on context. There probably isn't a 1:1 translation that always works. [1] <http://www.proz.com/?sp=ksearch> SignatureLes (BrE) |
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