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Marius Hancu - 29 Apr 2010 13:27 GMT
Hello:

Is "namely" closer to an exclusive enumeration/listing, allowing the
set mentioned before it to contain the items listed after it but not
something  else, or to "eg" or "for example," which, IMO, allow me to
think that the overall set contains other elements beside those listed
after them?

I'm thinking the former, that's why say in:

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I work well in groups. This is due to my friendly nature and my
exposure to team environments throughout my life—namely, competitive
sports teams and group projects at University.
----

I think that "namely" might be too limiting/modest in describing one's
accomplishments.
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Thanks.
Marius Hancu
Cheryl P. - 29 Apr 2010 13:29 GMT
> Hello:
>
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> Thanks.
> Marius Hancu

I agree with you; 'namely' is a bit restrictive in that context.

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Donna Richoux - 29 Apr 2010 15:59 GMT
> Hello:
>
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> accomplishments.
> ---
He's not listing accomplishments there, he's trying to explain which
"team environments" in his life have caused this result. There were two.
Sport teams and university projects. He is ruling out other group
experiences as being *causal* factors. If that's not what he meant, he
should have said "such as" or "in particular" or something else.

So I go for your first option. "Namely" gives a synonym or complete set,
not a random example.

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Mark Brader - 29 Apr 2010 17:19 GMT
Donna Richoux:
> He's not listing accomplishments there, he's trying to explain which
> "team environments" in his life have caused this result. There were two.
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> So I go for your first option. "Namely" gives a synonym or complete set,
> not a random example.

Agreed.
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ke10@cam.ac.uk - 29 Apr 2010 18:18 GMT
>Donna Richoux:
>> He's not listing accomplishments there, he's trying to explain which
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> So I go for your first option. "Namely" gives a synonym or complete set,
>> not a random example.

Agreed.  What he *said* was that there were exactly two such environments.  I
think it is very likely that that's not what he *meant* to say.

Katy
Marius Hancu - 29 Apr 2010 18:40 GMT
On Apr 29, 1:18 pm, k...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> >Donna Richoux:

> >> He's not listing accomplishments there, he's trying to explain which
> >> "team environments" in his life have caused this result. There were two.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Agreed.  What he *said* was that there were exactly two such environments.  I
> think it is very likely that that's not what he *meant* to say.

Thank you all.
Marius Hancu
Paul Wolff - 29 Apr 2010 23:00 GMT
>On Apr 29, 1:18 pm, k...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
>> >Donna Richoux:
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>
>Thank you all.

It crops up frequently in US trademark registrations, where it is
necessary to specify the precise goods and services for which a mark is
used and registered. The international system of classifying goods and
services  has evolved so that each numbered class has a standard form of
wording as a class heading, within which are many particular goods or
services.

The registrant wants to specify the class heading, for broad protection,
but the US Patent and Trademark Office wants the goods or services
particularised.

So you get this kind of compromise. It happens so frequently that I only
had to look at five registrations at random -- and of course I looked at
marks containing the word 'pizza', this being aue and all -- before I
found an example.

Trademark: GIANNI'S NY PIZZA
Goods and Services: Restaurant and Hotel Services, namely, services for
providing food and drink; temporary accommodations for consumers.

Restaurant and Hotel Services represent the broad class, and what
follows 'namely' are the real services. The hope is that a competitor
using a similar mark within the hotel and restaurant industries but not
in the food, drink or temporary accommodation sectors will the more
easily be nabbed as a result of the first five words. Juries are fickle,
dontcha know.
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