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Discussion Groups / English Usage / May 2010Onager
Onager A crossword favourite But not known to this solver ... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2010/05/28/crossword-clue-help-internet -search-sparks-porn-deluge-115875-22291013/ http://tinyurl.com/39t56kg "A great-grandad was left shaken after he was bombarded with porn when he looked for help with a crossword clue on the internet. Retired engineer Jack Sedgewick, 89, typed "Wild Asian a.s (6)" into a search engine and was given links to dozens of images of naked women. Jack, from Basingstoke, Hants, clicked through a number of sites trying to find the answer but was stunned at the results. He said: "I have been left shaken by the whole experience. I did not even know this sort of stuff existed." Jack, who was at home with wife Hilda, 86, finally found the answer, "onager", by changing his search to "donkey sanctuaries"." I think his quickness of mind in coming up with this version of events when his wife crept up behind him and saw what was on his screen is commendable.  SignatureJohn Dean Oxford On 28 May 2010, John Dean wrote > Onager > A crossword favourite [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > when his wife crept up behind him and saw what was on his screen is > commendable. A great tee-hee story, innit. (I tried to find an on-line link to it when I read it in our local (Basingstoke) paper yesterday, but couldn't locate one; glad it made the nationals.) (In the version I read, the thing that rang true for him as a crossword solver was a side comment that after finding the answer, his reaction was "I should have got that" -- it's definitely my usual reaction when I'm told a solution I didn't get.) SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed >A great tee-hee story, innit. (I tried to find an on-line link to it when >I read it in our local (Basingstoke) paper yesterday, but couldn't locate [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >"I should have got that" -- it's definitely my usual reaction when I'm told >a solution I didn't get.) Other comments; Onagers were native to the entire Mediterranean area. Any milirary history buff could tell you that, the Romans named a small catapult after it because it had a nasty kick. ---- I just put "wild asian a.s" (without the quotes) into Altavista, and the first response listed was "Onager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia." The second was "Asian Wild a.s (Equus hemionus kulan) - Asian Wild a.s ..." And the third was "BBC - Wildlife Finder - Asian wild a.s (video, facts and news)." The fourth and fifth were porn sites. The sixth was about onagers again. --Jeff --- On Google, the first hit was about this story, the second was the Wikipedia article about "onager". Sorry, that was "wild asian a.s" in quotes. Without the quotes, Wikipedia was first (and I don't use any safe filters). --- SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I was born and then lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 7 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years >Onager >A crossword favourite [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >I think his quickness of mind in coming up with this version of events when >his wife crept up behind him and saw what was on his screen is commendable. He should have used the Clusty search engine. I just tried it with that phrase and was informed 'The term "wild asian a.s" has been removed from your query because the adult filter is on'. None of the first 20 results seemed to mention onagers. The first result is of the appointment of a new speaker of the parliament in Somalia, Mr Hassan. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) On 29 May 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote > He should have used the Clusty search engine. I just tried it with that > phrase and was informed 'The term "wild asian a.s" has been removed from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The first result is of the appointment of a new speaker of the > parliament in Somalia, Mr Hassan. For this group, that's almost even better. (But it does mean you're saying he should have used a search engine that figures Somalia's in Asia.....) SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed >On 29 May 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >For this group, that's almost even better. (But it does mean you're saying >he should have used a search engine that figures Somalia's in Asia.....) After that search I noticed that Clusty has been taken over by Yippy. Yippy has an interestingly slanted Censorship policy: http://clusty.com/censorship Yippy.com, its sub-domains and other web based products (such as but not limited to the Yippy Browser) may censor search results, web domains and IP addresses. That is, Yippy may remove from its output, in an ad-hoc manner, all but not limited to the following: 1. Politically-oriented propaganda or agendas 2. Pornographic Material 3. Gambling content 4. Sexual products or sites that sell same 5. Anti-Semitic views or opinions 6. Anti-Christian views or opinions 7. Anti-Conservative views or opinions 8. Anti-Sovereign USA views or opinions 9. Sites deemed inappropriate for children SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >> On 29 May 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > 8. Anti-Sovereign USA views or opinions > 9. Sites deemed inappropriate for children Good to see that you can still lambaste the Muslims, Hindus and others without fear, but I'm not sure whether the USA is still against sovereigns. SignatureRob Bannister >> Yippy has an interestingly slanted Censorship policy: >> http://clusty.com/censorship >> 8. Anti-Sovereign USA views or opinions >Good to see that you can still lambaste the Muslims, Hindus and others >without fear, but I'm not sure whether the USA is still against sovereigns. They should, of course, have written "Anti-Sovereign-USA views or opinions", by which they mean the judicial writings of Anthony Kennedy J. Also anyone who speaks in favor of multilateral organizations that aren't dominated by the U.S., such as the U.N. and its agencies, or who advocates the shocking notion that international treaties like the Geneva Conventions are binding on the U.S. and not just on brown people. -GAWollman SignatureGarrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft wollman@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993 >After that search I noticed that Clusty has been taken over by Yippy. That's a pity. It used to be quite useful. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk >>On 29 May 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > 8. Anti-Sovereign USA views or opinions > 9. Sites deemed inappropriate for children So removing Anti-Conservative views isn't a politically-oriented agenda? Or do they exclude their own policy from their search results? SignatureOnline waterways route planner | http://canalplan.eu Plan trips, see photos, check facilities | http://canalplan.org.uk > After that search I noticed that Clusty has been taken over by Yippy. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > 8. Anti-Sovereign USA views or opinions > 9. Sites deemed inappropriate for children Overall, this list appears to point to ownership by the US religious right, but number 5 doesn't seem to fit the pattern. Is there some conservative Christian group that holds that Jews are just Christians in disguise, in the same way that Islam has a special status for "people of the book"? SignaturePeter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. >> After that search I noticed that Clusty has been taken over by Yippy. >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >disguise, in the same way that Islam has a special status for "people of >the book"? Some, at least, Conservative Christians would accept that Jews are God's Chosen People even though they have not (yet) accepted Christ. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>> After that search I noticed that Clusty has been taken over by Yippy. >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Some, at least, Conservative Christians would accept that Jews are God's > Chosen People even though they have not (yet) accepted Christ. Doesn't the "God's chosen people" label imply that Christians - the ones that rejected Judaism - are not among the chosen? It seems to me that one cannot truly be a Christian unless one has rejected those parts of the Old Testament that are in conflict with the New Testament. SignaturePeter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org For an e-mail address, see my web page. >>>> After that search I noticed that Clusty has been taken over by Yippy. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >one cannot truly be a Christian unless one has rejected those parts of >the Old Testament that are in conflict with the New Testament. I wasn't aware that the original Christians rejected Judaism. They had an interpretation of Judaism, among many others of the time. When Christians went after gentile converts, things got confusing and mohels were no longer necessary. >>> Some, at least, Conservative Christians would accept that Jews are God's >>> Chosen People even though they have not (yet) accepted Christ. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Christians went after gentile converts, things got confusing and mohels >were no longer necessary. Historically, Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism both arose from Second-Temple Judaism, and came to differ both from it and from each other. Most Christians regarded themselves as the true heirs of and Rabbinic Jews as deviants, and vice versa. But in the nineteeth century a certain section of Christians dev eloped a theology called "dispensationalism", according to which history is divided into a number of "dispensations", and that certain parts of the Bible apply to one dispensation, but not any of the others. One section of these dispensationalist latched on to the idea that the formation of the modern State of Israel in 1948 was significant in the dispensationalist scheme of things, and that it was an essential prerequisite for the Second Coming of Christ. They therefore favour policies that support the state of Israel. Some may call them "conservative", but that's a fuzzy label. Call them Pre-Millennial Dispensationalist Christian Zionists if you want to be more accurate. Ob-thread: like a.ses, they tend to bray a lot. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk >>>> After that search I noticed that Clusty has been taken over by Yippy. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >one cannot truly be a Christian unless one has rejected those parts of >the Old Testament that are in conflict with the New Testament. Some Christians believe that there is no conflict between the Old and New Testaments. Then there is Dispensationalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism Dispensationalism is a Protestant evangelical tradition based on a biblical hermeneutic that sees a series of chronologically successive "dispensations" or periods in history in which God relates to human beings in different ways under different Biblical covenants. As a system, dispensationalism is rooted in the writings of John Nelson Darby and the Brethren Movement. The theology of dispensationalism consists of a distinctive eschatological "end times" perspective, as all dispensationalists hold to premillennialism and most hold to a pretribulation rapture. Dispensationalists believe that the nation of Israel is distinct from the Church, and that God will fulfill His promises to national Israel. These promises include the land promises, which in the future result in a millennial kingdom where Christ, upon His return, will rule the world from Jerusalem for a thousand years. In other areas of theology, dispensationalists hold to a wide range of beliefs within the evangelical and fundamentalist spectrum. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >> After that search I noticed that Clusty has been taken over by Yippy. >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > disguise, in the same way that Islam has a special status for "people of > the book"? It may have to do with Israel's special foreign policy relationship with the US, or Israel's history of fighting terrorism, or Israel's special role in The End Times [TM], but anti-Semitism is now frowned upon by (at least) large segments of the Christian Right. --Jeff SignatureLove consists of overestimating the differences between one woman and another. --George Bernard Shaw > After that search I noticed that Clusty has been taken over by Yippy. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > 8. Anti-Sovereign USA views or opinions > 9. Sites deemed inappropriate for children Is the Youth International Party still around, and could they sue "Yippy" for TM infringement? SignatureWhen Elaine turned 11, her mother sent her to train under Donald Knuth in his mountain hideaway. [XKCD 342] Adam Funk filted: >> After that search I noticed that Clusty has been taken over by Yippy. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Is the Youth International Party still around, and could they sue >"Yippy" for TM infringement? I think Hanna-Barbera could probably go after both of them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yippee,_Yappee_and_Yahooey ....r Signature"Oy! A cat made of lead cannot fly." - Mark Brader declaims a basic scientific principle > On 29 May 2010, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > saying > he should have used a search engine that figures Somalia's in Asia.....) Onagers were native to the entire Mediterranean area. Any milirary history buff could tell you that, the Romans named a small catapult after it because it had a nasty kick. On 29 May 2010, Ray OHara wrote >> (But it does mean you're saying he should have used a search engine >> that figures Somalia's in Asia.....) > > Onagers were native to the entire Mediterranean area. I don't think of Somalia as being Mediterranean, though. > Any milirary history buff could tell you that, the Romans named a small > catapult after it because it had a nasty kick. SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed >> Onager >> A crossword favourite [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > phrase and was informed 'The term "wild asian a.s" has been removed from > your query because the adult filter is on'. I just put "wild asian a.s" (without the quotes) into Altavista, and the first response listed was "Onager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia." The second was "Asian Wild a.s ( Equus hemionus kulan ) - Asian Wild a.s ..." And the third was "BBC - Wildlife Finder - Asian wild a.s (video, facts and news)." The fourth and fifth were porn sites. The sixth was about onagers again. --Jeff SignatureLove consists of overestimating the differences between one woman and another. --George Bernard Shaw >>> Onager >>> A crossword favourite [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > wild a.s (video, facts and news)." The fourth and fifth were porn > sites. The sixth was about onagers again. On Google, the first hit was about this story, the second was the Wikipedia article about "onager". >>>> Onager >>>> A crossword favourite [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > On Google, the first hit was about this story, the second was the > Wikipedia article about "onager". Sorry, that was "wild asian a.s" in quotes. Without the quotes, Wikipedia was first (and I don't use any safe filters). >> Peter Duncanson wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >On Google, the first hit was about this story, the second was the >Wikipedia article about "onager". Your Google works differently from mine. My first listing for "onager" was the Wikipedia article on the animal and after that a slew of references to a Roman catapult. >>> Peter Duncanson wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > was the Wikipedia article on the animal and after that a slew of > references to a Roman catapult. I wasn't searching for "onager". I was searching for "wild asian a.s". On 29 May 2010, annily wrote >>> On Google, the first hit was about this story, the second was the >>> Wikipedia article about "onager". [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I wasn't searching for "onager". I was searching for "wild asian a.s". Two clarifications need to be made on this, both of which are in the original story in the local paper (which I suspect is where the nationals picked it up from): "But when he typed the two words into search engine Yahoo," So it's clear that even if the crossword clue was "wild asian a.s", he searched on *two* words, not three, and he was using Yahoo, not Google. I just did a search on "asian a.s", both with and without quotes, on yahoo.com (which redirects to the Yahoo UK/Ireland site): for me, the first page of 10 hits searching either way are pure porn -- neither "onager" nor this story makes an appearance. SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed On 29 May 2010, HVS wrote > Two clarifications need to be made on this, both of which are in the > original story in the local paper (which I suspect is where the > nationals picked it up from): > > "But when he typed the two words into search engine Yahoo," -snip- Sorry -- forgot to link to the story in the local paper (which is a weekly; it appeared in the issue published last Thursday): http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/local/8190683.X_rated_answer_to_Jack _s_clue_search/ http://tinyurl.com/32u99hz SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed > On 29 May 2010, annily wrote > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > page of 10 hits searching either way are pure porn -- neither "onager" nor > this story makes an appearance. Yes, I noticed those details in the story. Google with "asian a.s" (with or without quotes) also gives porn sites for the first few, but does have the Wikipedia entry for "onager" at 8 or 9. On 30 May 2010, annily wrote >> I just did a search on "asian a.s", both with and without quotes, on >> yahoo.com (which redirects to the Yahoo UK/Ireland site): for me, the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > or without quotes) also gives porn sites for the first few, but does > have the Wikipedia entry for "onager" at 8 or 9. If that's what Google is doing, it's a good illustration of the different algorithms -- Yahoo (which is what the guy used) doesn't turn up anything except lewd sites for the first 100 hits (I gave up scanning them at that point; makes your eyes bleed); the animal also doesn't appear on Bing until arount hit No. 23 or so (third page of results). SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed >He should have used the Clusty search engine. I just tried it with that >phrase and was informed 'The term "wild asian a.s" has been removed from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >The first result is of the appointment of a new speaker of the >parliament in Somalia, Mr Hassan. Most of the results on Google seemed to mention either onagers or the guy who was searching for them or noth. Only one or two were porn sites. On the other hand, I posted a picture of a cute a.s on my blog the other day: http://methodius.blogspot.com/2010/05/cute-ass.html and I typed in "cute a.s" and the first page of results were all porn sites. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk John Dean set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum: > Jack, who was at home with wife Hilda, 86, finally found the answer, > "onager", by changing his search to "donkey sanctuaries"." The thought just struck me - has this word been topped and tailed to produce "nag"? Signatureξ:) Proud to be curly Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply > John Dean set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time > continuum: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The thought just struck me - has this word been topped and tailed to > produce "nag"? Not according to OED, which suggests a completely different origin: "uncertain". First recorded c. 1336. There's a possible early modern Dutch cognate. SignatureJames |
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