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Marius Hancu - 30 Jun 2010 11:27 GMT
Hello:

Is "What're" considered standard by any means?

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“What’re your plans?”

“I have none."

John Grisham, The Pelican Brief
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Thanks.
Marius Hancu
Cheryl P. - 30 Jun 2010 11:29 GMT
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> Marius Hancu

Not by me. Well, I suppose I might use it in informal speech when I
speak rapidly and slur the words together, but that's not standard speech.

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Athel Cornish-Bowden - 30 Jun 2010 19:22 GMT
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> speak rapidly and slur the words together, but that's not standard
> speech.

Well OK, but as dialogue in a novel I find it unremarkable.
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Cheryl P. - 30 Jun 2010 19:25 GMT
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> Well OK, but as dialogue in a novel I find it unremarkable.

Yes, but I'd expect some non-standard usage in dialogue in a novel.

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Cece - 30 Jun 2010 20:38 GMT
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Depending on the character speaking.

Marius, dialogue in a novel should show the usage of the character
speaking.  "What're" is fine there.
Derek Turner - 30 Jun 2010 11:34 GMT
> Hello:
>
> Is "What're" considered standard by any means?

<BrE> The sound that it represents is certainly common on this side of
the pond. But the your would also be shortened to a schwa so perhaps
What'r'y'r [What-uh(r)-yer]. I have no problem with abbreviation in
reported speech, I wouldn't write it in any other context.
Pat Durkin - 30 Jun 2010 13:44 GMT
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> What'r'y'r [What-uh(r)-yer]. I have no problem with abbreviation in
> reported speech, I wouldn't write it in any other context.

But, without a terrible wrench (I pronounce/aspirate the "h" in
"what") I can say that I have seen "whacha" for "what are you", and I
have heard and seen "wotterya", "whaddaya" and probably other
variations.  The degree of eye dialect any writer chooses varies by
the writer's and his editor's choice.  Those aren't standard, while
"what're" meets the standards of contraction construction I was raised
to honor.
Ian Noble - 30 Jun 2010 18:52 GMT
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>What'r'y'r [What-uh(r)-yer]. I have no problem with abbreviation in
>reported speech, I wouldn't write it in any other context.

I'd shorten it in speech, but without anything remotely like a schwa
in "your" - I pronounce that with a long BrE "awww". In fact, being
non-rhotic, I come much closer to a schwa in the first part - "What-uh
yawww plans?".

Cheers - Ian
(BrE: Yorks, Hants.)
tony cooper - 30 Jun 2010 13:05 GMT
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>John Grisham, The Pelican Brief
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I don't know how you tell if someone was saying "what're" or was
saying "what are" unless the person had crystal-clear diction.

In normal writing, I wouldn't flinch at "what're".  I wouldn't expect
to see it in a high-brow literary magazine, but it's not totally
unacceptable.  

What is "standard"?  "Standard", to me, is "what most people use
and/or accept".  I think that some words can be "standard" in this
sense, but not acceptable in formal writing.  After all, most people
never have occasion to write something that must pass muster as formal
writing.


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Mark Brader - 01 Jul 2010 00:19 GMT
Tony Cooper:
> I don't know how you tell if someone was saying "what're" or was
> saying "what are" unless the person had crystal-clear diction.

Agreed.

> In normal writing, I wouldn't flinch at "what're".  I wouldn't expect
> to see it in a high-brow literary magazine, but it's not totally
> unacceptable.  

I wouldn't expect it in the sort of writing formal enough that
contractions aren't used, and I could imagine some people might
avoid it, but as far as I'm concerned it's normal English.
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Don Phillipson - 30 Jun 2010 13:25 GMT
>  Is "What're" considered standard by any means?
>  ---
> “What’re your plans?”

"Standard" may be an unhelpful term.  Written "what're"
is regular so far as it follows the writing convention of
an apostrophe to indicate letters omitted from writing or
(in direct speech) syllables not vocalized although implicit
in the grammar.  Cf. also
what's for what is
they're for they are
and so on.

Calling this "standard" implies a norm (which does not
exist or is nowadays repudiated.)   Calling this "regular"
merely describes fairly uniform habits of writing or speech
that are repeated in various differing contexts in the same way.

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(Ottawa, Canada)

 
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