"Eating for Two"
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G Daeb - 28 Jul 2010 21:15 GMT Foreword
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"Eating for Two"
'Eating for two' is traditionally an activity advocated by friends, family and closer associates of a newly pregnant female.
Today it has been reported that official UK guidance is now not to 'eat for two'.
In some sense I find it reassuring that for all the calls of "bias" when one or another viewpoint isn't given full prominence, such a news item can pass through an editing suite of professional language users with authoritative reference sources to hand and not be remarked upon.
Whether or not it is a little phrase that originated prior to the outbreak of mass real-time broadcast media or not, it sure is one which has enjoyed the fertile loam of characterisations within narratives over the course of the UK's film and televisual dramatic arts' lifetime.
And is just about counter-intuitive enough an allusion to prompt the naive and more innocent (children, for example) to ask what does "eating for two mean mummy?".
And I don't wish to pre-empt too much of the condescension those more "socially- aware" in The Medical Professions may come to imbue the concept with, in time, particularly given science now tells us it is after all but an old wives' tale...
...the truth is that although poor nutrition and unbalanced diets are still a concern in some areas of the UK, the days when normal physical development was retarded or, indeed, prevented on a widespread scale for want of the elements of a good diet, rather than ignorance of how to compile those elements into one, or neglect oin being bothered, or simply a preference for pork pie, chips, mushy peas, a bar of choccy a few bottles of Guinness are, for now, but a series of chapters in its history.
But it would be nice to know when and where the phrase originated. I'm going to guess very early 20th Century. And I'm coming down in favour of a mass media coining--film, book, newspaper, radio and so on, rather than simultaneous preservation of the concept amongst the varied weirding sorts of yore in geogra[hically disparate feudalisms.
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HVS - 28 Jul 2010 22:07 GMT On 28 Jul 2010, G Daeb wrote
> Foreword > "Eating for Two" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Today it has been reported that official > UK guidance is now not to 'eat for two'. -snip-
> But it would be nice to know when and > where the phrase originated. I'm going [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sorts of yore in geogra[hically disparate > feudalisms. A Google book search suggests that it appeared in guidance books to marriage and pregnancy by the mid 1880s -- and also that it was almost immediately challenged by other writers on the same grounds as today's challenge:
American Institute of Homeopathy - 1885 "This answer involves an attention to several very important things : First. The nursing mother must remember that she is eating for two."
Babyhood; the mother's nursery guide - 1889 ...the false notion of "eating for two" can but increase discomfort. The stomach can digest for but one, ...
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Ray OHara - 28 Jul 2010 22:25 GMT > On 28 Jul 2010, G Daeb wrote > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > ...the false notion of "eating for two" can but increase discomfort. The > stomach can digest for but one, ... Analness has always existed iyt seems. Usually the culprits wear bow ties.
HVS - 28 Jul 2010 22:43 GMT On 28 Jul 2010, Ray OHara wrote
>> A Google book search suggests that it appeared in guidance books to >> marriage and pregnancy by the mid 1880s -- and also that it was almost [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Analness has always existed iyt seems. > Usually the culprits wear bow ties. Yup.
(Incidentally, I refuse to believe you could have read my reply to the bow- tie thread in AEU, as I posted that a second or two before reading this...)
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Ray OHara - 28 Jul 2010 22:53 GMT > On 28 Jul 2010, Ray OHara wrote > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > tie thread in AEU, as I posted that a second or two before reading > this...) I haven't seen that thread. It was visions of George Will passing through my brain as I thought about a reply.
Evan Kirshenbaum - 28 Jul 2010 23:45 GMT > On 28 Jul 2010, G Daeb wrote > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > ...the false notion of "eating for two" can but increase > discomfort. The stomach can digest for but one, ... A bit earlier than that
The popular fallacy indicated by the phrase "eating for two," has been responsible for more mischief, more downright harm to mothers and their offspring than almost any of the numerous superstitions connected with this subject.
_The Richmond and Louisville Medical Journal_, March, 1879
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Don Phillipson - 28 Jul 2010 22:49 GMT > 'Eating for two' is traditionally an activity > advocated by friends, family and closer > associates of a newly pregnant female. Not really: 1. Eating for two is a policy or plan rather than an "activity," 2. And usually recommended in the second half of a pregnancy (when busybodies can see the woman is pregnant, which may not be observed in the "newly pregnant female.")
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R H Draney - 29 Jul 2010 02:11 GMT Don Phillipson filted:
>> 'Eating for two' is traditionally an activity >> advocated by friends, family and closer [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >is pregnant, which may not be observed in the >"newly pregnant female.") What's more, it's sound advice if you take it in its original sense, i.e. to take into account the nutritional needs of both mother and unborn fetus in planning the mother's diet (no alcoholic beverages, plenty of folic acid, etc)....r
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Peter Moylan - 29 Jul 2010 09:00 GMT > As such, if this thread ends up irrelevant > to your group then kindly do one of the > following: ignore it. Or, edit the subject line > to only include the group for which it has > ended up relevant. And say so. Thankyou. If this is going to stay in alt.usage.english, "thank you" needs a space.
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Arcadian Rises - 29 Jul 2010 14:11 GMT On Jul 29, 4:00 am, Peter Moylan <inva...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> > As such, if this thread ends up irrelevant > > to your group then kindly do one of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > If this is going to stay in alt.usage.english, "thank you" needs a space. No, it doesn't. But "Thankyou" does.
HVS - 29 Jul 2010 14:16 GMT On 29 Jul 2010, Arcadian Rises wrote
> On Jul 29, 4:00 am, Peter Moylan <inva...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > No, it doesn't. But "Thankyou" does. Well caught...
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Marcus Houlden - 30 Jul 2010 14:28 GMT >> As such, if this thread ends up irrelevant >> to your group then kindly do one of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > If this is going to stay in alt.usage.english, "thank you" needs a space. Doesn't it also need to be in English?
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