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So there we were, finishing our evening meal, and on comes a thematic evening we couldn't resist. In amongst the Illuminations (not to be confused with Illuminati), Jayne Mansfield, and Keith Allen doing cheesy dance routines, was a little song whose lyrics rhymed something like 'the band played tiddely-pum-pum' with 'ee by gum' (or 'ee bah gum' as she is phonetically pronounced, perhaps). We were left with a lingering two-part question: (1) shirley that's 'tiddely-pom-pom' and -- (2) even if it's 'pum', it shouldn't rhyme with ee by gum', really, should it? In the household where I grew up (near enough to the place the evening was about and populated by people with accents from both sides of the Pennines) it wouldn't have. Am I alone in this? Am I, just possibly putting off the work I should have been doing all evening? cheers, Stephanie PS Optional third part: how long can the Seasiders last? >So there we were, finishing our evening meal, and on comes a thematic >evening we couldn't resist. In amongst the Illuminations (not to be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >have. Am I alone in this? Am I, just possibly putting off the work I >should have been doing all evening? The song I first heard the tiddely phrase in was _Oh I Do Like to Be Beside the Seaside_ in which the "om"s have to rhyme with prom. http://everything2.com/title/Oh+I+Do+Like+to+Be+Beside+the+Seaside .... Oh! I do like to be beside the seaside I do like to be beside the sea! I do like to stroll upon the Prom, Prom, Prom! Where the brass bands play: "Tiddely-om-pom-pom!" .... >cheers, >Stephanie > >PS Optional third part: how long can the Seasiders last?  SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) BrE filted: >The song I first heard the tiddely phrase in was _Oh I Do Like to Be >Beside the Seaside_ in which the "om"s have to rhyme with prom. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "Tiddely-om-pom-pom!" > .... The more it snows (TiddlyPom) The more it goes (TiddlyPom) The more it goes (TiddlyPom) On snowing. And nobody knows (TiddlyPom) How cold my toes (TiddlyPom) How cold my toes (TiddlyPom) Are growing. ....r SignatureMe? Sarcastic? Yeah, right. > BrE filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > (TiddlyPom) > Are growing. Richard Murdoch of blessed memory filled in a space in the /Much Binding/ song with "tiddle-im-pom-pom". And then there's the deprecatory description of baroque music as "poops and tiddles" (I always thought that ought to be "piddles", but perhaps the mere suggestion was enough. I should here make clear that I do not share the estimate.) SignatureMike. >Richard Murdoch of blessed memory filled in a space in the /Much >Binding/ song with "tiddle-im-pom-pom". And then there's the deprecatory >description of baroque music as "poops and tiddles" (I always thought >that ought to be "piddles", but perhaps the mere suggestion was enough. >I should here make clear that I do not share the estimate.) Irish Traditional music is sometimes called "diddly" or "diddly dee". This can sometimes be derogatory. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote, in <p1co76de0gj8lvicsoqhjcht91v7jbqq71@4ax.com> on Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:28:48 +0100: > >Richard Murdoch of blessed memory filled in a space in the /Much > >Binding/ song with "tiddle-im-pom-pom". And then there's the deprecatory [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Irish Traditional music is sometimes called "diddly" or "diddly dee". > This can sometimes be derogatory. Or "diddly-idle". SignatureNick Spalding BrE/IrE > Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote, in > <p1co76de0gj8lvicsoqhjcht91v7jbqq71@4ax.com> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Or "diddly-idle". Those are the most important words in lilting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhxfcJCeIWQ&feature=related SignatureJames >> Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote, in >> <p1co76de0gj8lvicsoqhjcht91v7jbqq71@4ax.com> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Those are the most important words in lilting: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhxfcJCeIWQ&feature=related I call it "teedly toddly", and was once surprised to hear an Irishman use the same expression. SignatureMike. On Aug 29, 11:50 pm, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote: > On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:30:36 -0700 (PDT), tsuidf > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Where the brass bands play: > "Tiddely-om-pom-pom!" Exactly our thinking. Thank you for the melodious contribution! > So there we were, finishing our evening meal, and on comes a thematic > evening we couldn't resist. In amongst the Illuminations (not to be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > We were left with a lingering two-part question: (1) shirley that's > 'tiddely-pom-pom' Tiddly-om-pom-pom, I thought. > and -- (2) even if it's 'pum', it shouldn't rhyme > with ee by gum', really, should it? In the household where I grew up > (near enough to the place the evening was about and populated by > people with accents from both sides of the Pennines) it wouldn't > have. I don't dare pronounce on Northern pronunciation. If the Lune can give its name to Lancaster, all bets are off. Am I alone in this? Am I, just possibly putting off the work I > should have been doing all evening? If you are, you aren't alone. I've decreed today a /dies non/, seeing as how it ran into the brick wall of yesterday's prize crossword having two irreconcilably intersecting answers, the "i" of syndicate conflicting with the "e" of dreidl; and the get-out is that tomorrow is a bank holiday here and therefore a Sunday re-run. > cheers, > Stephanie > > PS Optional third part: how long can the Seasiders last? They should have hung up their boots after the full-time whistle blew on day one. It's all downhill from there, you know; and the manager knew it too. Signaturefranzi On Aug 30, 12:05 am, franzi <et.in.arcadia.fra...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > So there we were, finishing our evening meal, and on comes a thematic > > evening we couldn't resist. In amongst the Illuminations (not to be [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > with the "e" of dreidl; and the get-out is that tomorrow is a bank > holiday here and therefore a Sunday re-run. I am hugely reassured that our minds run in the same direction. I usually really enjoy that puzzle and ended up inventing spellings for dreidel that aren't remotely plausible. Harumph. I won it once, many years ago, the first time I tried. The intervening near-decade has been somewhat frustrating. And the prize I won has now defuncted itself. I feel awfully afraid there's a message there. > > PS Optional third part: how long can the Seasiders last? > > They should have hung up their boots after the full-time whistle blew on > day one. It's all downhill from there, you know; and the manager knew it > too. Oh you're probably right on that too. Shouldn't have asked. But it was nice hearing the surprise in my (emigrated nearly 50 years ago) Dad's voice when I told him what level they were now playing at. Again.... > -- > franzi >>> Am I alone in this? Am I, just possibly putting off the work I >>> should have been doing all evening? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > usually really enjoy that puzzle and ended up inventing spellings for > dreidel that aren't remotely plausible. Harumph. Ha, as you so rightly observe, rumph. > I won it once, many years ago, the first time I tried. The > intervening near-decade has been somewhat frustrating. And the prize > I won has now defuncted itself. I feel awfully afraid there's a > message there. I'm impressed. Though I did a calculation years ago on general newspaper competition prize values, the cost of postage, and the number of likely entrants, and decided meanly to save my stamp-money. Two good pens already on the desk (but no sandbox) are enough for me. Signaturefranzi >>>> Am I alone in this? Am I, just possibly putting off the work I >>>> should have been doing all evening? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > entrants, and decided meanly to save my stamp-money. Two good pens > already on the desk (but no sandbox) are enough for me. Over about five decades I have won three pens and a couple of book tokens from entering crossword competitions (a much better haul from other word/number puzzles) but I no longer do so regularly. I was advised long ago to complete the grid in purple ink to make my entry stand out. I have followed this advice but I have no idea if it makes any difference. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) >Over about five decades I have won three pens and a couple of book >tokens from entering crossword competitions (a much better haul from >other word/number puzzles) but I no longer do so regularly. I was >advised long ago to complete the grid in purple ink to make my entry >stand out. I have followed this advice but I have no idea if it makes >any difference. Probably not. The instructions for the The Times prize crossword: [a prize] will be awarded to the first five correct solutions opened on Thursday... Enter by post to The Times, Saturday Crossword Competition,... The colour of the ink will not be seen until the envelope containing your entry is randomly selected and opened as a potential winner. Once five correct entries have been found no more envelopes will be opened. If there are no incorrect entries then only five envelopes will be opened. The rest will be discarded. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > So there we were, finishing our evening meal, and on comes a thematic > evening we couldn't resist. In amongst the Illuminations (not to be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > have. Am I alone in this? Am I, just possibly putting off the work I > should have been doing all evening? Well, even from a southern viewpoint, it is obvious that tiddly-pom-pom-pom has to rhyme with the prom, prom, prom where the brass band plays. SignatureRob Bannister |
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