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Discussion Groups / ESL Teaching / May 2005Req: A sport term, "opposite" of play-off
Hi there, I'm from Croatia, and I'm looking for a english term that is used as the "opposite" of play-off. So, in a league, play-off is a final contest between the best teams, say four of them with the best results so far. But, there is also another contest, say from 5th to 8th position. What is the term/expression for that, let's say, inferior level of final contest? We in Croatia have the separate terms for these contests, but I'm not sure if this is so in English. Thanks in advance.  SignatureToMo >Hi there, >I'm from Croatia, and I'm looking for a english term that is used as the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >separate terms for these contests, but I'm not sure if this is so in English. >Thanks in advance. Usually 'quarter-finals' and 'semi-finals'. In some leagues this is carried to a rediculous extreme; regular season play eliminating only a very few teams while seemingly endless 'quarter-final' and 'semi-final' playoff 'best-of-seven' series are played. It's all intended to pump up fan enthusiasm and gate receipts of course. John Ings wrote: > Usually 'quarter-finals' and 'semi-finals'. In some leagues this is > carried to a rediculous extreme; regular season play eliminating only > a very few teams while seemingly endless 'quarter-final' and > 'semi-final' playoff 'best-of-seven' series are played. It's all > intended to pump up fan enthusiasm and gate receipts of course. Ahem, that's not what I meant, maybe I wasn't clear enough. Let's say quarter-finals. 8 teams play. Those 4 who have won go to semi-finals, and later finals. "Play off" is competition from quarter-finals to finals. But those 4 who have lost can play with each other to determine the positions from 5th to 8th place. I'm interested in how the tournament propositions (in any sport) call this section of competition. I seek something like a one-or-two word term for that. Maybe you call all this "Play-off", winners and loosers games alike, but I don't know if this is so. I hope that this cleared things a bit. SignatureToMo > John Ings wrote: > > Usually 'quarter-finals' and 'semi-finals'. In some leagues this is [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > ToMo Usually they don't bother after you've been eliminated but if the losers do play it usually will be called a consolation game. > Usually they don't bother after you've been eliminated but if the losers do > play it usually will be called a consolation game. I thought of something similar, so there is no a specific wide-spread term for that? Thanks. SignatureToMo >> Usually they don't bother after you've been eliminated but if the >> losers do [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > term for that? > Thanks. I just received a suggestion -> Relegation, Relegation stage. Although it is more often used for transfer into inferior league, it can also be used as loosers competiton stage of tournament. Is this right? SignatureToMo >> Usually they don't bother after you've been eliminated but if the >> losers do play it usually will be called a consolation game. > > I thought of something similar, so there is no a specific wide-spread > term for that? > Thanks. I'm not an expert, but I don't think I'd ever call a final a "play-off". I'm more familiar with "play-off" or "playoff" for the matches which decide third positions: at the Olympics, for example, there are play-offs for the bronze medal position. According to the competition, I'd call these "bronze-medal playoffs", or "third-position playoffs". If there was a need for additional matches to decide lower positions, they might just be called "the playoffs", or "the xth-position playoff", or "the playoff for xth position". So call the final "the final", and any other a "playoff", unless advised differently by a better authority than me. SignatureMike. Mike Lyle: > I'm not an expert, but I don't think I'd ever call a final a > "play-off". I'm more familiar with "play-off" or "playoff" for the > matches which decide third positions... My goodness. "Playoffs" certainly includes the finals where I come from. SignatureMark Brader "Look, sir, we can't just do nothing." Toronto "Why not? It's usually best." msb@vex.net -- Lawrence of Arabia Ray O'Hara: > > Usually they don't bother after you've been eliminated but if the losers do > > play it usually will be called a consolation game. "ToMo": > I thought of something similar, so there is no a specific wide-spread term > for that? I would say that *is* the specific term. Or if there are multiple games, you could collectively call them the play-offs for 5th place. In one form of event (called a "compact bracketed knockout") that I've played in at bridge tournaments, the teams entering are divided into groups (brackets) of 16, with a winner to be found from each bracket. As the term "knockout" suggests, this is a playoff format and the way to win your bracket is to win 4 out of 4 matches. In this even, the 8 teams that lose the first match are grouped into a "consolation bracket", and if this happens and you then win 3 out of 3 matches, you the "winner of the consolation bracket", rather than 9th place in the original bracket. (This format allows the matches to be short ones, two in a single session, so nobody has to go home after playing just one match.) SignatureMark Brader, Toronto | "If you feel [that Doug Gwyn] has a bad attitude, msb@vex.net | then use lint (or Chris Torek...)" --Joe English My text in this article is in the public domain. In the sport I play one tournament director has coined a specific term for the 9th place playoff: chUmpionship (in contrast to the chAmpionship). In his tournaments 16 teams play three games each in 4 pools of 4, and then start a full 'elimination' bracket. Winners of the first eliminaiton game go into the championship bracket, and losers of the first game go into the chumpionship bracket. Teams don't seem to mine being crowned chumps, they get more games against good competition. Huck'our adjective became a noun'Itume > In the sport I play one tournament director has coined a specific term > for the 9th place playoff: chUmpionship (in contrast to the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Huck'our adjective became a noun'Itume :) Good idea. SignatureToMo > Hi there, > I'm from Croatia, and I'm looking for a english term that is used as the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > ToMo It's a forward and backward counting. You count back, in a large tournament, from the quarter finals to the 'round' of 16/32/64/128...etc to set up the tournament ladder. To reward those who made it as far as the later stages but lost, there is a 'consolation round.' In the Olympics the winners of the semi-finals play for the Gold and Silver medals. The losers play a consolation final for the Bronze. In other sport competitions the losers play a consolation round to determine 'rankings' for the year just past which will also affect the player/team's status the next year. And once again you are counting backward and forward -:) > Hi there, > I'm from Croatia, and I'm looking for a english term that is used as the > "opposite" of play-off. > So, in a league, play-off is a final contest between the best teams, say > four of them with the best results so far. But, there is also another > contest, say from 5th to 8th position. What is the term/expression for > that, let's say, inferior level of final contest? We in Croatia have the > separate terms for these contests, but I'm not sure if this is so in English. > Thanks in advance. > -- > ToMo Adding my two cents to all that's been said, I've also heard "second" and "secondary" round, even though consolation round is the first term that springs to mind. For some reason, Marv Albert enthusiastically intoning "March Madness secondary round action!" For those of you unfamiliar with Marv Albert, well, pretty much all you need to know is right here. http://www.mugshots.org/sports/marv-albert.html Apologies to any Marv Albert fans that are still out there. To introduce yet another term, what you would win might be called, derisively, a/the "booby prize." > Hi there, > I'm from Croatia, and I'm looking for a english term that is used as the > "opposite" of play-off. > So, in a league, play-off is a final contest between the best teams, say > four of them with the best results so far. But, there is also another > contest, say from 5th to 8th position. What is the term/expression for > that, let's say, inferior level of final contest? We in Croatia have the > separate terms for these contests, but I'm not sure if this is so in English. > Thanks in advance. > -- > ToMo Adding my two cents to all that's been said, I've also heard "second" and "secondary" round, even though consolation round is the first term that springs to mind. For some reason, Marv Albert enthusiastically intoning "March Madness secondary round action!" runs through my head when I think of that sort of thing. For those of you unfamiliar with Marv Albert, well, pretty much all you need to know is right here. http://www.mugshots.org/sports/marv-albert.html Apologies to any Marv Albert fans that are still out there. To introduce yet another term, what you would win might be called, derisively, a/the "booby prize." ToMo wrote: > Hi there, > I'm from Croatia, and I'm looking for a english term that is used as the > "opposite" of play-off. > So, in a league, play-off is a final contest between the best teams, say > four of them with the best results so far. But, there is also another > contest, say from 5th to 8th position. What is the term/expression for > that, let's say, inferior level of final contest? We in Croatia have the > separate terms for these contests, but I'm not sure if this is so in English. > Thanks in advance. > -- > ToMo Adding my two cents to all that's been said, I've also heard "second" and "secondary" round, even though consolation round is the first term that springs to mind. For some reason, Marv Albert enthusiastically intoning "March Madness secondary round action!" runs through my head when I think of that sort of thing. For those of you unfamiliar with Marv Albert, well, pretty much all you need to know is right here. http://www.mugshots.org/sports/marv-albert.html Apologies to any Marv Albert fans that are still out there. To introduce yet another term, what you would win might be called, derisively, a/the "booby prize." What about semi-finals and quarter-finals? |
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