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Questions about Betty Schrampfer Azar's book

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bowo - 25 Dec 2005 04:50 GMT
Hi all,

I'm studying Betty Schrampfer Azar's book, Understanding and Using
English Grammar Second Edition. What do you think about the book? Is it
a good book?

I'm also want to ask about the explanation given in:
- page 199
She said that "seats" should be read as "seat + s" but "seeds" should
be read as "seed + z". I don't understand the explanation she gave
about the reason.
- page 9
She said that two syllable verbs such as "listen" (1st syllable
stressed) is spelled as "listening" (one ''n'') in -ing form, but
"begin" (2nd syllable stressed) is spelled as ''beginning'' (two ''n'')
in -ing form. I don't understand her explanation about the 1st and 2nd
syllable stressed.

Could anyone explain about these matters?

Thank you.
Bowo
credoquaabsurdum - 26 Dec 2005 00:22 GMT
> Hi all,
>
> I'm studying Betty Schrampfer Azar's book, Understanding and Using
> English Grammar Second Edition. What do you think about the book? Is it
> a good book?

Azar's book is something of a standard text in language teaching today.
Most people who are familiar with it like it. I do too, but there are
slightly better grammar teaching books out there.

However, why are you using the second edition? The third edition of
UUEG came out in 1999. If you're using an old copy of the book as a
self-study guide, there are other texts that would be more effective.
bowo - 28 Dec 2005 04:04 GMT
Could you please mention some other textbooks which you think more
effective than UUEG as a self study guide?

Thanks,
Bowo
credoquaabsurdum - 30 Dec 2005 02:02 GMT
There's always a danger in this, but...

First, equip yourself with the some good reference works. If I were in
your shoes, I would buy a small bilingual dictionary and a large
English learner's dictionary (Oxford Advanced English Learner's
Dictionary is a good choice, although not head and shoulders above all
the rest anymore).

I would also get a copy of a book called Practical English Usage, by
Michael Swan. This book will be able to answer, more or less, all your
questions about confusing issues in the language.

If you can't afford these books (and they are quite expensive), you
should be able to find them in a library somewhere in your area.

Now, for self-study books, I would largely stick to Cambridge
University Press products. English Grammar in Use, 3rd edition, along
with the Supplementary Exercises volume for review, will help you truly
get a grasp on grammar. English Vocabulary in Use, at
pre-intermediate/intermediate, upper intermediate, and advanced levels
will help you develop vocabulary.

One of the most annoying things about attempting to learn a language
through self-study is that you will always run up against grammar and
usage phenomenon that your books will not explain well, or that you
will not be able to find an explanation for in your books. When things
like this happen, it is quite frustrating. Come to this group and ask
questions.

Regarding American English and British English: don't worry too much
about the difference until you understand the basics of the whole
language. All the works that I've cited are primarily used by learners
interested in learning British English, but Cambridge makes American
English products based on them as well.

If you are actually in a place where English is the language of
everyday life, you will need your vocabulary and usage reference books
far more than if you are living in a place where your access to English
is limited and manageable.

There are many other things that you can do to learn English through
self-study, but these are the books which I would invest in.

> Could you please mention some other textbooks which you think more
> effective than UUEG as a self study guide?
>
> Thanks,
> Bowo
John Ramsay - 26 Dec 2005 04:07 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> be read as "seed + z". I don't understand the explanation she gave
> about the reason.

No reason. Just usage. Any time you have a written s after a t
it's pronounced as an s.

meats, meets, feats, regrets, suspects, directs

Any time you have a written s after a d its pronounced z.

deeds, needs, succeeds

> - page 9
> She said that two syllable verbs such as "listen" (1st syllable
> stressed) is spelled as "listening" (one ''n'') in -ing form, but
> "begin" (2nd syllable stressed) is spelled as ''beginning'' (two ''n'')
> in -ing form. I don't understand her explanation about the 1st and 2nd
> syllable stressed.

Again, it's usage. Some 2 syllable verbs emphasize
1st syllable, others 2nd.

LIST-en. beGIN.

> Could anyone explain about these matters?
>
> Thank you.
> Bowo
Einde O'Callaghan - 25 Dec 2005 09:34 GMT
>>Hi all,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> deeds, needs, succeeds

It to do with vo8ced and unvoiced consonants. The normal plural ending
is voiced, i.e. pronounced like "z", but after the unvoiced consonants,
"f", "k", "p", "t" it is also unvoiced, i.e. pronounced like "s".

There are some words ending in "f", or rather with the "f" sound", that
have slightly irregular pluraly . The unvoiced "f" is transformed into a
voiced "v" and the ending is also voiced, e.g. wife/wives, life/lives,
knife/knives, leaf, leaves.

John Ramsay has explained the doubling of the final consonant in
multi-syllable verbs. However in British English a final "l" after a
vowel is always doubled, e.g. travel/travelled (TRAvel), rebel/rebelled
(reBEL) - in American English only the latter has double "l". There are
a few minor exceptions, eg. kidnap/kidnapped (KIDnap) and words ending
in "x" like mix/mixed.

Regards, Einde O'Callaghan
 
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