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heron stone - 17 Feb 2006 05:43 GMT
Other Crowley exercises the author tried are not described here, because
they are too dangerous for ordinary or casual experimenters.  Crowley
always insisted that nobody should try his more advanced techniques
without (a) being in excellent health, (b) being competent in at least
one athletic skill, (c) being able to conduct experiments accurately in
at least one science, (d) having a general knowledge of several
sciences, (e) being able to pass an examination in formal logic, (f)
being able to pass an examination in the history of philosophy,
including Idealism, Materialism, Rationalism, Spiritualism, Comparative
Theology, etc.  Without that kind of general knowledge and the
self-confidence and independence of thought produced by such study,
magick investigation will merely blow your mind.  As Brad Steiger has
said, the lunatic asylums are full of people who naively set out to
study the occult before they had any real competence in dealing with the
ordinary.
  - Robert Anton Wilson

gendo: a way of thinking...  
    language as a path to liberation...

.unconscious, erroneous assumptions imposed upon our thinking
    by the structure of the language (english) running in our
    skulls are responsible for most of what is wrong with the
    world in both the personal and planetary domains

heron

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Stephen Calder - 17 Feb 2006 05:51 GMT
> Other Crowley exercises the author tried are not described here, because
> they are too dangerous for ordinary or casual experimenters.  Crowley
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> ordinary.
>    - Robert Anton Wilson

I loved the Illuminati Papers. What a mind stretch, and way ahead of its
time. Still relevant, as a recent re-reading proved.

Crowley, though possibly a genius, was also a showman, a shaman and
often a sham. Magick is (was) highly suited to his undoubtedly
self-confident and very elitist egoism. More useful(that is, more
effective and less dangerous) paradigms are now available for accessing
the power of the universe within. Wilson outlined one of them under the
heading "winner scripts" in the Illuminati Papers.

I'll dig it out and quote it for anyone interested.

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heron stone - 17 Feb 2006 06:01 GMT
> > Other Crowley exercises the author tried are not described here, because
> > they are too dangerous for ordinary or casual experimenters.  Crowley
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> I'll dig it out and quote it for anyone interested.

please do

thanks

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Liz - 17 Feb 2006 22:53 GMT
> I loved the Illuminati Papers. What a mind stretch, and way ahead of its
> time. Still relevant, as a recent re-reading proved.

I recently saw a documentary on the facts behind Dan Brown's
book: Illuminating Angels & Demons.  The plot is complete fiction.
It also mentioned that many of North America's early patriots were Freemasons.  
That was the first time I heard the term.  George Washington was
sworn in as the first President of the United States by Robert Livingston,
Grand Master of New York's Masonic Lodge.  For years, I thought
Masonic Lodge was a charitable organization, similar to the Salvation Army.
Stephen Calder - 18 Feb 2006 00:16 GMT
>>I loved the Illuminati Papers. What a mind stretch, and way ahead of its
>>time. Still relevant, as a recent re-reading proved.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Grand Master of New York's Masonic Lodge.  For years, I thought
> Masonic Lodge was a charitable organization, similar to the Salvation Army.

What about the eye in the triangle on the dollar bill? Robert Anton
Wilson got a lot of mileage out of that in his Illuminatus trilogy.

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Liz - 18 Feb 2006 18:28 GMT
> What about the eye in the triangle on the dollar bill? Robert Anton
> Wilson got a lot of mileage out of that in his Illuminatus trilogy.

He is more than meets the eye.  I'm not a conspiracy thinker.  :)
As far as I know, the Masonic eye-in-triangle is an enlightenment eye:
freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of association.  
The idea that people flourished best with intellectual and spiritual freedom.

According to a 33rd degree Mason, the eye in the pyramid is not
a Masonic emblem, nor a conspiracy.  Our founding fathers planned
to establish a new order, and the eye is to highlight freedom of conscience.

The U.S. State Department believes that the most accurate explanation
of the eye in the pyramid is that it symbolizes strength and durability,
the eye suggests the importance of divine guidance in favor of the American
cause.  The unfinished pyramid means that the United States will always
grow, improve and build.  The Latin motto "novus ordo seclorum" on
the base of the pyramid translates as "A new order of the ages," and signifies
the beginning of the new American era in 1776.  

You can read the government's side of the dollar bill story here:
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/misc/ourflag/greatseal.htm

Great Seal Mottoes
http://www.greatseal.com/mottoes/coeptis.html
Tony Cooper - 18 Feb 2006 03:24 GMT
>> I loved the Illuminati Papers. What a mind stretch, and way ahead of its
>> time. Still relevant, as a recent re-reading proved.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Grand Master of New York's Masonic Lodge.  For years, I thought
>Masonic Lodge was a charitable organization, similar to the Salvation Army.

That's OK, my wife - of Irish descent and of the Catholic religion -
thought that the Masonic Order was of the devil himself.

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John Dean - 18 Feb 2006 15:43 GMT
>>> I loved the Illuminati Papers. What a mind stretch, and way ahead
>>> of its time. Still relevant, as a recent re-reading proved.
>>
>> I recently saw a documentary on the facts behind Dan Brown's
>> book: Illuminating Angels & Demons.  The plot is complete fiction.

NO!

>>   For years, I thought
>> Masonic Lodge was a charitable organization, similar to the
>> Salvation Army.
>
> That's OK, my wife - of Irish descent and of the Catholic religion -
> thought that the Masonic Order was of the devil himself.

And my Great Uncle Ewart (A Protestant Scot who ventured as far south as
Carlisle to settle and whom I believed to be a Mason) told me in
strictest confidence that he was high on the death list of the Knights
of St Columba.
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the Omrud - 18 Feb 2006 16:08 GMT
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> had it:

> >> I loved the Illuminati Papers. What a mind stretch, and way ahead of its
> >> time. Still relevant, as a recent re-reading proved.
> >
> >I recently saw a documentary on the facts behind Dan Brown's
> >book: Illuminating Angels & Demons.  The plot is complete fiction.

Right.  Who'd have thought it?  I don't usually do regret, but I
regret spending my time reading that one, and the other blasted "Da
Vinci" book.

Actually, the thing which upset me most was the physics.  This anti-
matter stuff was going to explode exactly to the second.  Why?

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Tony Cooper - 18 Feb 2006 18:39 GMT
>Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> had it:
>
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>Actually, the thing which upset me most was the physics.  This anti-
>matter stuff was going to explode exactly to the second.  Why?

What you have responded to is all Steven Calder's comments.  I have
not read the Illuminati Papers and have not seen the documentary.

No big deal, but this is the second reply from you where Calder's
comments have seemingly been connected to me.  That could give Calder
a bad name here.  He may not want to be the scapegoat.

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Orlando, FL

the Omrud - 18 Feb 2006 18:44 GMT
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> had it:

> >Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> had it:
> >
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> comments have seemingly been connected to me.  That could give Calder
> a bad name here.  He may not want to be the scapegoat.

Hmmm, yes.  I wonder why three of us have done this.  Some
conspiracy, no doubt.

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Stephen Calder - 19 Feb 2006 00:00 GMT
> What you have responded to is all Steven Calder's comments.  I have
> not read the Illuminati Papers and have not seen the documentary.
>
> No big deal, but this is the second reply from you where Calder's
> comments have seemingly been connected to me.  That could give Calder
> a bad name here.  He may not want to be the scapegoat.

I noticed but I didn't bother to correct. I figured, who else cares?

What really upsets me is you misspelling my name. (Just kidding).

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Tony Cooper - 19 Feb 2006 02:08 GMT
>What really upsets me is you misspelling my name. (Just kidding).

I suppose you won't accept that you are misspelling your name and I am
doing it right?  All right.  Never mind.

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Liz - 18 Feb 2006 18:28 GMT
"Tony Cooper" wrote:

> >I recently saw a documentary on the facts behind Dan Brown's
> >book: Illuminating Angels & Demons.  The plot is complete fiction.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> That's OK, my wife - of Irish descent and of the Catholic religion -
> thought that the Masonic Order was of the devil himself.

I haven't tried Dan Brown's novel yet, and it was during the 80's
when I read two books by Umberto Eco: The Name of the Rose
and Foucault's Pendulum (in Chinese translation).  If Masonry
were mentioned in those books; I failed to recognize its English term.  
In fact, I can hardly remember the plot.  :o)
the Omrud - 18 Feb 2006 18:29 GMT
Liz <liz@where.abouts> had it:

> "Tony Cooper" wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> were mentioned in those books; I failed to recognize its English term.  
> In fact, I can hardly remember the plot.  :o)

If you like Eco then you'll find Dan Brown, er, a little lightweight.  
Although I can't imagine what Foucault's Pendulum might be like in
Chinese.

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Liz - 18 Feb 2006 22:40 GMT
> Liz <liz@where.abouts> had it:
> > I haven't tried Dan Brown's novel yet, and it was during the 80's
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Although I can't imagine what Foucault's Pendulum might be like in
> Chinese.

Like reading in the mother tongue--piece of cake!  :)
Those were the days when my English wasn't good enough
for heavyweight.  


Vinny Burgoo - 17 Feb 2006 19:36 GMT
In alt.usage.english, heron stone quoted:

>Other Crowley exercises the author tried are not described here, because
>they are too dangerous for ordinary or casual experimenters.  Crowley
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>ordinary.
>   - Robert Anton Wilson

Crikey! Who knew that buggery was so complicated?

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