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Is my English teacher really this bad?

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Thorsten T. Rufus - 25 Jun 2006 16:09 GMT
Dear readers,

in my English test paper I wrote the following sentence
that was marked to be a failure. Knowing my English
teacher for quite some time now, I am not sure whether
there really is a mistake or if she just simply doesn't
recognize the construction. Here we go:

It is very important that Scottish finance system not
be ruled by the Bank of England.

Thanks for your wise answers!
Thorsten T. Rufus
Einde O'Callaghan - 25 Jun 2006 18:38 GMT
> Dear readers,
>
> in my English test paper I wrote the following sentence
> that was marked to be a failure.

I think you mean "mistake".

> Knowing my English
> teacher for quite some time now, I am not sure whether
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> It is very important that Scottish finance system not
> be ruled by the Bank of England.

This construction is correct (a subjunctive (Konjunktiv I in German)
although quite formal in british English (I believe it's more common in
American English). More common in British English would be "... should
not be ..."

I suspect your teacher might not have recpognised the structure as it
would usually only be dealt with at quite advanced level.

Einde O'Callaghan
(English teacher working in Germany)
Owain - 25 Jun 2006 19:11 GMT
> It is very important that [the] Scottish finance system not
> be ruled by the Bank of England.

As amended.

Owain
Einde O'Callaghan - 25 Jun 2006 20:50 GMT
Owain schrieb:

>> It is very important that [the] Scottish finance system not
>> be ruled by the Bank of England.
>
> As amended.

Thorsten,

Which part of the sentence did your teacher mark as being incorrect?

Regards, Einde O'Callaghan
Thorsten T. Rufus - 26 Jun 2006 14:05 GMT
Einde wrote:
> Which part of the sentence did your teacher mark as being incorrect?

She underlined the following parts:
It is very important that Scottish finance system not be ruled by (...)
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

She counts this "mistake" as gr (=grammar) one, as noted on the left
side.

I haven't had time yet to speak to her. It won't have any influence on
my mark anyway, it's just a question of who is right.

Thorsten T.
credoquaabsurdum - 01 Jul 2006 05:11 GMT
> Einde wrote:

> > Which part of the sentence did your teacher mark as being incorrect?

Thorsten T. Rufus wrote back:

> She underlined the following parts:
> It is very important that _Scottish finance system_ not be ruled by (...)

> She counts this "mistake" as gr (=grammar) one, as noted on the left
> side.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Thorsten T.

Thorsten, I think that your marks might have been moved around, as I
discovered when I replied to this post that opening your response in a
Google Groups reply box moves your makeshift underlining around. I
suspect, however, that this is not the case.

If  your teacher underlined the section marked above, you're wrong and
she's right. If she underlined the subjunctive part (...not be ruled
by...) then you're right and she's wrong. It is hard to believe that
anyone who teaches the English language to foreigners would not be
exposed to the subjunctive somewhere in their preparation to do this
job.

Precisely why she's right has to do with one of the hard-and-fast rules
of English grammar: except in certain very common collocations/word
groups (go home, in school, in bed, at universty, etc.), singular
countable nouns in English like "system" must be preceded by one of
four different word types: a possessive pronoun (her, his, its, etc.),
a possessive adjective (Mary's, John's, Thorsten's, etc.), an
indicative/demonstrative pronoun (this, that), or an article (a, an,
the, any).

I tend to call this the first Golden Rule of Determiners when I teach
it.
John Ramsay - 26 Jun 2006 06:47 GMT
>Dear readers,
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Thorsten T. Rufus
>  

As Owain noted, the error is you need 'the Scottish ...'.

Did you not ask your teacher what your exact error was?

Did she not explain why you were wrong?
Dan - 26 Jun 2006 16:23 GMT
One could even omit "that Scottish" and replace it with "the Scottish."

>>Dear readers,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Did she not explain why you were wrong?
 
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