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teaching overseas: Is it more trouble than it's worth?

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Brinton - 26 Apr 2007 18:25 GMT
Greetings,

I just joined this group because I've been applying to ESL schools in
various parts of Europe.  I have just been given an offer to teach at
an ESL school in Belgium and now I am wondering if it's worth the
trouble.  Does anybody know anything about teaching there?  I have
heard a lot of horror stories about traveling and teaching English,
but I'm wondering if it's as bad as people say.  Anybody can find the
ad for the job I'm being offered on www.eslpositions.com.  It's brief,
but it sounds nice.  Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Brinton
Django Cat - 29 Apr 2007 14:38 GMT
> Greetings,
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> ad for the job I'm being offered onwww.eslpositions.com.  It's brief,
> but it sounds nice.  Any advice would be appreciated.

Why don't you just stay at home with a nice cup of tea then?  I spent
six months in the 1980s teaching for inlingua [sic] in Brussels, wacky
city and a nice place to live.  In a career which has included various
overseas stints as an EFL teacher I've been conned and exploited (very
briefly) on occasion.  I've also spent years stuck in offices doing
conventional jobs in my own country and being thoroughly miserable.
If you're a Brit, then, fergoodnessakes, Belgium's not exactly Outer
Mongolia, is it?  You can be there in about two hours on the train.
If you're coming from outside Europe, well, I suppose that's a bit
more daunting, and there are visa issues too, but we're mostly
harmless.  Otherwise if this particular job is shitty, there wouldn't
be a problem walking into another one in the same town.
DC
Django Cat - 29 Apr 2007 14:47 GMT
> Greetings,
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> ad for the job I'm being offered onwww.eslpositions.com.  It's brief,
> but it sounds nice.  Any advice would be appreciated.

PS.  What's your level of qualification as an EF/SL teacher?
DC
Django Cat - 01 May 2007 14:04 GMT
> Greetings,
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> Brinton

PPS Are we talking about the B**litz job?  I've got some qualms about
their methodology, but would you feel worried about taking an IT job
with Microsoft?

There aren't many hours, are you going to be able to live on that?

Is there anyone there?
DC
Brinton - 07 May 2007 23:13 GMT
Yeah, I've heard some bad things about the big "B", but they are in so
many countries.  Can all of the schools be that bad?  I don't know
much about their methodogy.  It sounded like it might be fun.  Maybe
I'll find something with more hours.  How about this one in Turkey:

http://www.eslpositions.com/Europe.html

do you know anything about working there?  By the way, I'm American so
it is quite a haul.

Cheers,

Brinton
Django Cat - 08 May 2007 21:17 GMT
> Yeah, I've heard some bad things about the big "B", but they are in so
> many countries.  Can all of the schools be that bad?  I don't know
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> do you know anything about working there?  By the way, I'm American so
> it is quite a haul.

Just quickly as I'm actually posting from class as my students do a
test... I've never heard anything about B**litz being dodgy employers
as such, but like several of the larger chains they've traditonally
taught using their own patent methodology, which may or may not be any
good, but the experience of working for them won't give you much in
the way of transferable skills as a teacher.  The story used to be
that they had microphones in each teaching room so that the Director
of Studes could monitor that the teachers were sticking to the party
line.

Despite the fact that there's a very nice Turkish lady sitting about
ten feet from me, I'm not sure that Turkey would be high on my list of
countries for a slightly apprehensive first time overseas teacher,
though I've known lots of people who've taught there and loved it
(nearest I've been to Turkey is seeing it across the water from
various Greek islands).  I don't think you're any more likely to be
ripped off there than anywhere else, but if you've not worked outside
the US before, don't underestimate the difficulty and strain of
getting used to living and working in a culture where you don't speak
the language and don't know how things work.  I've been doing this
stuff for a long time but even I found it a bit of a struggle working
in Italy a year or so back with no Italian (at least, not when I
arrived) - and for me, Italy feels a lot more similar to my home
country that the USA does, despite the different language.  Worst
moment was getting to the supermarket checkout, checking all my goods
through... and realising my wallet was back at the flat and there
wasn't a word I could say to explain why I couldn't pay.

As a rule, the more qualified you are, the less likely you are to be
ripped off.  BUT... are you set on Europe?  If not, being a Language
Assistant in Japan is a very good bet, and although in the UK we're
now aware Japan is not as safe is people thought following the murder
of a young British teacher there a month or so back, you aren't going
to be ripped off by one of the big groups like Shane or Nova, and will
get useful experience.  Check out their websites, and TEFL.com is a
very useful resource for jobs and information.  Keep us informed!
DC
John Ramsay - 09 May 2007 02:21 GMT
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As you're American, why not try teaching ESL closer to home?

Lots of ESL jobs in Mexico.

You'd get some basic experience. Learn whether you
really like teaching, etc.

I'm Canadian. Taught ESL in Chihuahua and loved it.

Best part was I drove there and was able to use
my car there.
 
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