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Adult Eng. Lang. Acquisition - learning rate

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Angie H. - 19 Nov 2003 10:16 GMT
Can anyone point me in the direction of research that looks at how long it
takes for adults that are academically fluent in one language to become
fluent in another?
(I know Baker, & Cummins have done research with children).

I am interested in any information that would help me determine how much
literacy support may be required to assist non-English speaking adults in
the workplace with academic written English.

Any guidance would be welcome

Thank-you

Angie H.
Wes Groleau - 20 Nov 2003 01:59 GMT
> Can anyone point me in the direction of research that looks at how long it
> takes for adults that are academically fluent in one language to become
> fluent in another?

Depends on teaching method, learning style of
student, confidence of student, motivation of
student, how much of the second language the
student is exposed to in an average day, how
important it is to that student to comprehend
that L2, etc.

Plus, you haven't defined "fluent."

As Pimsleur defines it, all it takes is
listening to his eight 30-minute audio cassettes.

As I define fluent, anywhere from a few days
(total immersion, good methods, and plenty
of motivation) to several years--from
fifth grade through twelfth, I took Spanish
thirteen semesters, and I think I was about
a level one on the ILR scale on my first trip
to México.

Now that I've not answered your question :-)
I did ask some friends of mine who are experts
in ESL whether they could remember any such citations.....

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Wes Groleau - 21 Nov 2003 01:05 GMT
> Now that I've not answered your question :-)
> I did ask some friends of mine who are experts
> in ESL whether they could remember any such citations.....

And here's what one of them answered:

Offhand I don't know of any work that has specifically targeted this aspect
of adult ESOL.  I'm sure I've heard people use Jim Cummins' BICS (basic
interpersonal communicative skills) and CALP (cognitive/academic language
proficiency) distinction to support the notion that it generally takes
around 2 years to become conversationally fluent and 5-7 years to catch up
to academic peer norms, but I can't remember whether it was from an
authoritative source.  Virginia Collier has also done interesting work in
this area.   She basically states that the second language learner is trying
to catch a moving target when seeking to approach peer norms.

There are a couple of things that make it a bit hard to know how to answer
your contact in a meaningful way including the goal: "academic English in
the workplace."  Many people would understand academic and
vocational/business English to be very different (e.g. book reviews and
research papers vs. business letters and reports).  I wonder if your contact
isn't referring to the latter.  If so, depending on the type of target
interaction, I'd guess that it would likely not take as long to acquire a
reasonable level of competency (whatever "reasonable" is in this case).

Your contact might find it helpful to check out an online draft document I
came across some weeks ago.  It's called "Framework for Adult ESOL in the
Commonwealth of Massachusetts" and is available at
http://www.doe.mass.edu/acls/frameworks/esol.pdf       The project team
member consultants include Donald Freeman, Kathleen Graves, and Diane
Larsen-Freeman.

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Angie H. - 22 Nov 2003 08:31 GMT
Thanks guys, for your thoughts & your time.

Am supporting people in the workplace that use English as an additional
language. Many are highly qualified in their own language & home country.
Unfortunately, at this stage, the only work available to them in this
country is fairly basic - but they do need to have a good command of the
English for their own safety & advancement.

Cheers

Angie H.
John Ramsay - 21 Nov 2003 16:12 GMT
> Can anyone point me in the direction of research that looks at how long it
> takes for adults that are academically fluent in one language to become
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>
> Angie H.

Try a web search for  > workplace english <
 
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