A few questions that occur to me after attending a CELTA course.
I hear that a vocabulary of about 3000 words (base forms I assume) is
adequate for communication in English. Can someone qualify this more
closely - e.g. what degree of proficiency would such a speaker have
reading books/papers.
Is a list of such high frequency words available somewhere?
Does the same go for languages such as Spanish (again, if so, where is
such a list)?
On a separate note, I hear that Swedish speakers of English, though
often as proficient as native English speakers have little knowledge
of grammar (again like native speakers). What method do they use to
teach English in Sweden?
Thanks for any replies
William
>I hear that a vocabulary of about 3000 words (base forms I assume) is
>adequate for communication in English.
This is completely misleading. With 3000 words one would not be able
effectively to communicate - though most native British speakers use
far fewer than this in day to day communication.
One needs approximately 100,000 lexical phrases to communicate
effectively and naturally. However, bear in mind Krashen's
observation that a vocabulary of 100,000 items does not imply either
100,000 fill-in exercises or 100,000 trips to the dictionary. We have
acquired, rather than formally learned, most of the vast mental
lexicon which we carry prefabricated and ready for use (see "The Power
of Reading" by Stephen Krashen, publ. Libraries Unlimited, Inc.).
William Morris - 30 Nov 2003 11:24 GMT
> This is completely misleading. With 3000 words one would not be able
> effectively to communicate - though most native British speakers use
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> lexicon which we carry prefabricated and ready for use (see "The Power
> of Reading" by Stephen Krashen, publ. Libraries Unlimited, Inc.).
Thanks for that Mike. Looking at some lists I have been sent, I have
gathered that it is not as simple as it seems.
By the way, is Krashen's book worth buying from an EFL teaching
viewpoint, or is it more for parents etc?
William
Mike987 - 30 Nov 2003 13:27 GMT
>By the way, is Krashen's book worth buying from an EFL teaching
>viewpoint, or is it more for parents etc?
Krashen's book is an academically oriented treatise, which I believe
should be compulsory for all EFL teachers who are interested in the
lexical approach.
> A few questions that occur to me after attending a CELTA course.
>
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> Thanks for any replies
> William
Depends what you mean by adequate.
[Native English speaking children arrive in
1st grade of school at age 6 with vocabs in
the 3,000 - 5,000 word range.]
Here's some English wordlists. In ascending order.
220 words
Dolch Word list - most common 220 words in English, arranged in
order of frequency. Occur in 50 -70% of any piece of writing.
Used with slow readers, dyslexics, deaf students, esl students.
Also used by writers of children's material.
Compiled by Edward William Dolch (1889-1961)
600 words
"Basic English" - most common 600 words
1,100
Bramberg, Murray: "1,100 Words you should Know"
3,000
Dale-Challe - most common 3,000 words. Used in rating
readability levels, standardized elementary
tests, etc
30,000
Lorge-Thorndike - Most common 30,000 words. Used to develop
vocabulary section of IQ test back in 1954
William Morris - 30 Nov 2003 11:26 GMT
Thanks John. That is helpful.
William
Enrico C - 25 Dec 2003 23:55 GMT
>> A few questions that occur to me after attending a CELTA course.
>>
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> Lorge-Thorndike - Most common 30,000 words. Used to develop
> vocabulary section of IQ test back in 1954
I wonder: how can I count how many words I know?
Then, how do those authors define "words"?
"to do" is one word or 20/30 words, as its meanings?
And there are many words i don't but I don't know but I would
recognize in context.

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