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Discussion Groups / ESL Teaching / September 2004Past tense pronunciation
Hi friends, I am back, I am studying the pronunciation of past tense, I found these rules: 1. If the final sound of the word is voiced, add /d/ 2. If the final sound of the word is voiceless, add /t/ 3. If the word ends (written) with 't' or 'd', add /Id/ Where does the word 'delete' fall?, I mean according to those rules, Should 'delete' be pronounced as delete+/t/? Thanks in advance. Ariel http://www.prodigyweb.net.mx/arielmedina1978 > Hi friends, I am back, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Should 'delete' be pronounced as delete+/t/? It is voiced.  Signature"Question, two men starving to death decide to eat their hair like spaghetti. Is that funny?" "Hmmm, well, it depends on if by funny you want to make people laugh." -+Eddie Izzard and Joanna Lumley, "The Cat's Meow" > > Hi friends, I am back, > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > It is voiced. Excuse me but I do not think so. The final sound of the word 'delete' is voiceless (/t/). For that reason I asked if I should add the sound /t/. Regards Ariel > > > Hi friends, I am back, > > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Excuse me but I do not think so. It is possible for me to be wrong about something but I can hold my hand next to my throat and feel the voicing or not. The final sound of the word 'delete' > is voiceless (/t/). For that reason I asked if I should add the sound > /t/. And you should add the voiced sound, not /t/. Signature"Question, two men starving to death decide to eat their hair like spaghetti. Is that funny?" "Hmmm, well, it depends on if by funny you want to make people laugh." -+Eddie Izzard and Joanna Lumley, "The Cat's Meow" > > > > Hi friends, I am back, > > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > It is possible for me to be wrong about something but I can hold my hand > next to my throat and feel the voicing or not. I said it because according to English phonetic the sound /t/ is voiceless. > The final sound of the word 'delete' > > is voiceless (/t/). For that reason I asked if I should add the sound > > /t/. > > > And you should add the voiced sound, not /t/. Yes, I already know the rule 3 is wrong. It should apply when the final sound be /t/ or /d/, disregarding if is written 't' or 'd'. Thanks, Ariel > I said it because according to English phonetic the sound /t/ is > voiceless. By definition, /t/ is always voiceless, whatever the language; otherwise it would be /d/. SignatureTranspose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. > Hi friends, I am back, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Should 'delete' be pronounced as delete+/t/? It comes under 3. It's not whether the infinitive ends with the letters "t" of "d", but whether it ends with the sounds /t/ or /d/. Regards, Einde O'Callaghan > > Hi friends, I am back, > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Regards, Einde O'Callaghan Thanks, I thought that but I had doubts because I saw those rules at the next page: http://eleaston.com/aap/c/ed-pattern.html I saw the same rules at other pages too. Regards Ariel > Hi friends, I am back, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Where does the word 'delete' fall?, I mean according to those rules, Rule 3 (but the rule concerns the final sound, not the spelling). Delete ends in /t/, so the past tense is /d@litId/. SignatureTranspose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. Approaching this chance, Do you all know some sites where I can find information of pronunciation for the past tense, third person present tense, plural, etc.? Thanks you all. Ariel > Approaching this chance, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ariel Hi Ariel, Why don't you try the Cambridge Dictionary online? Just click in "show phonetics". :-) http://dictionary.cambridge.org/ Irma. BTW Mexican. > > Approaching this chance, Excuse me, I put 'Approaching' instead of 'Seizing'. > > Do you all know some sites where I can find information of > > pronunciation for the past tense, third person present tense, plural, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Irma. > BTW Mexican. Thanks, I am searching other thing. I would like to know the pronunciation rules instead of the manner to pronounce every word. However, the dictionary is good. I have been searching on the web, but I have found a few pages. Regards, Ariel (MX) >>>Approaching this chance, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > I have been searching on the web, but I have found a few pages. The rules are fairly simple and are contained in virtually every beginners' book that I use to teach english - at least here in Germany. Final "s" in the 3rd person singular present tense and in plurals is voiced, i.e. pronounced /z/, after vowels and voiced consonants and is voiceless or unvoiced, i.e. pronounced /s/, after voiceless or unvoiced consonants. After sibilants, "s", "z", "sh", "ch" etc., it is pronounced /Iz/. There are a number of nouns ending in /f/, where the unvoiced /f/ is transformed in the plural to /v/ and followed by /z/, e.g. wife - wives, knife - knives etc. Regards, Einde O'Callaghan > >>>Approaching this chance, > > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Regards, Einde O'Callaghan Thank you so much, You have kicked out my doubts. Regards, Ariel |
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