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Can you support me in translation my web page in English. Thank you for every comment. Goran http://cerna.gradiste.com/eng/default.asp >Can you support me in translation my web page in English. >Thank you for every comment. >Goran > >http://cerna.gradiste.com/eng/default.asp Special introductory deal, 5.00GBP per 1000 words, payable by PayPal. http://www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/proofreader DC > > Can you support me in translation my web page in English. > > Thank you for every comment. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Special introductory deal, 5.00GBP per 1000 words, payable by > PayPal. http://www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/proofreader Now you've made me feel guilty for writing a reply, DC. Mind you, I'd feel more guilty if your web site worked in Netscape. It just displays the page source - does the file have a .htm(l) extension? I see that it does work in IE, but only after a long delay - I guess that IE eventually manages to work out for itself that it's an html file.  SignatureMark Barratt Budapest www.geocities.com/nyelvmark >> > Can you support me in translation my web page in English. >> > Thank you for every comment. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Now you've made me feel guilty for writing a reply, DC. I'm probably being over snotty. Goran's request was perfectly reasonable, it's the "I would like someone to proofread my 50 page dissertation on microbiology for free" ones that are a bit iffy. From time to time someone posts looking for paid academic proofreading, and I have picked up a little bit of business from newsgroups. >Mind you, >I'd feel more guilty if your web site worked in Netscape. It just >displays the page source - Interesting - thanks. These days I usually just check out new pages in IE and Opera as I don't run Netscape any more - I'll see if it's on the machines at work. I wonder if there's some sort of meta tag to keep Netscape happy. I'm contemplating migrating to Firefox as everybody seems to be raving about it (sadly, that probably means its only a matter of time before viruses start targeting it). >does the file have a .htm(l) >extension? No. In the absence of knowing any better, I always FTP pages up to the server and then rename them without an extension, because I don't want addresses that end in .htm(l). Do you know if there's a way round this? > I see that it does work in IE, but only after a long >delay - I guess that IE eventually manages to work out for itself >that it's an html file. Seems OK here, even when I do a ctrl reload, but then its coming straight off my ISP's server (I use Freenetname who gave a free domain name and 20mb storage, which seemed a good deal at the time, though I don't think they do it any more). I'll see what it looks like from work tomorrow. Cheers DC | Interesting - thanks. These days I usually just check out new pages | in IE and Opera ... | No. In the absence of knowing any better, I always FTP pages up to | the server and then rename them without an extension, because I don't | want addresses that end in .htm(l). Do you know if there's a way | round this? Your /proofreader URL doesn't work for me in Opera. This is because your web server is sending out with MIMEtype "text/plain" in the headers. Possibly if you don't name your files *.html the web server can't send them out with the correct MIME type in the headers, so browsers thinks it's a text file. Owain >| Interesting - thanks. These days I usually just check out new pages >| in IE and Opera ... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Owain Thanks for taking the time to look Owain - please see my posting to Mark. DC > > does the file have a .htm(l) > > extension? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > because I don't want addresses that end in .htm(l). Do you > know if there's a way round this? Yes - give them a .htm extension! I can't think why you wouldn't want to. Under DOS/Windows a file must, in principle, have an extension of some sort to be recognised by anything (other than the operating system, which will just class them as "file"). UNIX is less rigid about it, but by loose convention a UNIX file with no extension is considered an executable. What made you think that .htm or .html extensions are a bad thing? SignatureMark Barratt Budapest www.geocities.com/nyelvmark >> > does the file have a .htm(l) >> > extension? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >no extension is considered an executable. What made you think >that .htm or .html extensions are a bad thing? But don't loads of sites, when you check the url, not end .htm(l)? - here's one http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/fo/tottenham/ . It's not a big deal, I just thought not having the extension made for a more professional looking address, but if it stops people reading stuff, I'll rename my sites. It's curious that I've been doing this for a while (including mailing details of my online CV site to employers), and nobody's pointed out a problem before. This probably just proves that offices are full of people running IE, and IE can cope with missing .htm(l) extensions, but if other browsers don't it's something I need to know about. As a temporary measure I've put up a mirror proofreader site at http://www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/proofreader.htm - accessibilty reports with a range of browsers very gratefully received. DC >>>>does the file have a .htm(l) >>>>extension? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > But don't loads of sites, when you check the url, not end .htm(l)? - > here's one http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/fo/tottenham/ . Adresses that end with / are actually opening a page named index.htm, index.html, index.php or similar, which if it contains frames can then display other pages without showing you teh name of teh page displayed. If you want to do this you'll have to swot up on the use of frames, not leave out endings which means the file can't be interpreted by many browsers. Regards, Einde O'Callaghan > > > > > does the file have a .htm(l) > > > > > extension? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > endings which means the file can't be interpreted by many > browsers. Absolutely. If you click on the link to my website in my .sig, the page that you'll actually load is:<http://www.geocities.com/nyelvmark/index.htm> "index.htm" is usually the default page, and therefore doesn't need to be specified. So, rename your "proofreader" file as "index.htm" and then just point your browser (and ours) at <www.bankgatetutors.co.uk>. If this doesn't work (I think it will), you'll need to check with your hosting service about what the default filename is - I've known "default.htm" to work. SignatureMark Barratt Budapest www.geocities.com/nyelvmark >> > > > > does the file have a .htm(l) >> > > > > extension? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >will), you'll need to check with your hosting service about what >the default filename is - I've known "default.htm" to work. Thanks for the ideas Mark. In fact, although, I know, there's no home page attached to the Bankgatetutors.co.uk domain name, I didn't especially want the 'proofreader' page to be it. Then again... Anyway, here's a litle something from the vault which does have a .html ending:- http://www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/mars_earring.html DC > Thanks for the ideas Mark. In fact, although, I know, there's > no home page attached to the Bankgatetutors.co.uk domain name, > I didn't especially want the 'proofreader' page to be it. Then > again... So create a subdirectory called 'dc', or something, and put your index.htm file there. You can then point people to <www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/dc> with the same effect. > Anyway, here's a litle something from the vault which does have > a .html ending:- > > http://www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/mars_earring.html Would it be picky of me to point out that that page also has an error? Oh, it works, all right, but the image displayed is also configured as a dead link. I've seen that picture before, somewhere... SignatureMark Barratt Budapest www.geocities.com/nyelvmark >> Thanks for the ideas Mark. In fact, although, I know, there's >> no home page attached to the Bankgatetutors.co.uk domain name, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >error? Oh, it works, all right, but the image displayed is also >configured as a dead link. Is that if its checked on one of those validation programs? >I've seen that picture before, somewhere... Foreground is 'Girl with a Pearl Earring' by Vermeer. The background is an image from from the Viking Mars landings. I was doing two seperate courses in JavaScript and PhotoShop when I did this about 5 years ago - seemed an idea to combine the two. DC >> Thanks for the ideas Mark. In fact, although, I know, there's >> no home page attached to the Bankgatetutors.co.uk domain name, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >error? Oh, it works, all right, but the image displayed is also >configured as a dead link. Right, yes, looked again. It's a long time since I put that page together, and I just pasted the code from another page I'd made, keeping the image screen tag within an 'a ref' - you're right though, the image shouldn't be a link at all. I could change it, but I suspect life is too short... DC >>>>>does the file have a .htm(l) >>>>>extension? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >leave out endings which means the file can't be interpreted by many >browsers. So the address ending in '/' shows that an invisible 'index' page is being opened? Obviously the calling file name can't end in '/' as it's a reserved character. Then again, that Yahoo site above doesn't appear to be frame based, and here's one two clicks from my home page http://rylibweb.man.ac.uk/eres/ which also isn't. Isn't the '/' just saying 'this address refers to an html file called index.x? In fact I spent about a week redoing my CV site using frames only a month ago (I know all the arguments against frames, but I wanted to do this as a sort of intellectual exercise and a test of what they can still achieve.) So I've done the swotting Einde. The frameset for the CV site is another 'non extension' file. Seems to work in IE and Opera, but if it's keeping me away from prospective employers because not all browsers can see it, it'll go on the renaming list, which is fairly long. [I'd be happy to email the url for the CV site to regular posters, and very pleased to get accessibility reports and comments - it's a chunky document which has evolved over time, and probably not completely bug-free. As the CV has personal contact info I don't really want to post the url here. I've recently put in a 'no robots' mega, and slightly changed the address, as before I was very easy to find on Google. A few months ago an ex-girlfriend got in touch and SMS'd me through getting my mobile number from the site. Not a big deal, and I was happy to hear from her, but slightly scary. I've also had a speculative job offer after coming up on a Google of EFL teachers in my area, which was a first.] While we're OT here, when I put the CV site together I was trying to find an example of a javascript I've seen in the past. If a visitor attempts to open any of the individual frames in its own window, the script forces a looping redirect back to the frameset, ensuring that the user can only ever see the full frames layout. Any help on locating the code gratefully received. DC > > Adresses that end with / are actually opening a page named > > index.htm, > So the address ending in '/' shows that an invisible 'index' > page is being opened? Obviously the calling file name can't > end in '/' as it's a reserved character. No, that's a red herring. The terminating '/' means that this is a directory, but it's not required. If (as I just suggested in a nearby post) you create a subdirectory called 'dc' and put your 'index.htm' file in it, you should be able to access it using any of: http://www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/dc/index.htm http://www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/dc/ http://www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/dc www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/dc/index.htm www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/dc/ www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/dc I think that if you had a file called 'dc' and a directory called 'dc' you would need the '/' to distinguish them, but that would be a silly thing to do, anyway. SignatureMark Barratt Budapest www.geocities.com/nyelvmark >> > Adresses that end with / are actually opening a page named >> > index.htm, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/dc/ >www.bankgatetutors.co.uk/dc Yep , got that. >I think that if you had a file called 'dc' and a directory called >'dc' you would need the '/' to distinguish them, but that would >be a silly thing to do, anyway. OK - that all sounds sensible. I'll mess about with stuff over the next couple of days and see if I can tidy things up. I'm a bit vague on having subdirectorys on the server - at one stage I called pictures from an 'images' subdirectory - lately I've put everything in the same master directory. | But don't loads of sites, when you check the url, not end .htm(l)? - | here's one http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/fo/tottenham/ . You can (probably) do that if instead of having mysite.com/proofreader.html you have mysite.com/proofreader/index.html for the same page. Depending on your webserver both mysite.com/proofreader/ and mysite.com/proofreader will then work as URLs to the directory. But you will need a directory for each page, which may get cumbersome with linking. Owain PS Shouldn't it be "*an* MS-Word file"? PPS Your substitute .htm url validates using the W3C checker, apart from references to preview.aspx?AssetID PPPS You're using articulator.lycos.co.uk as clickable text to an email link. This is confusing. People expect email addresses to have an @ in them. >| But don't loads of sites, when you check the url, not end .htm(l)? - >| here's one http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/fo/tottenham/ . [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >PS Shouldn't it be "*an* MS-Word file"? Yes. Ouch. >PPS Your substitute .htm url validates using the W3C checker, I've not used the W3C checker before (http://validator.w3.org/docs/checklink.html presumably?) - at first glance it looks highly useful - thanks. > apart from >references to preview.aspx?AssetID That's part of the URL for the Microsoft page I refer potential clients to if they want to read up on how 'track changes' works in Word. The link works and it still goes to the page I want it to. Can you tell me what W3C says is wrong with it? >PPPS You're using articulator.lycos.co.uk as clickable text to an email >link. This is confusing. People expect email addresses to have an @ in them. Thanks for that major howler. I think this proves that however many times you go over your own work, there are still sometimes obvious errors that you're blind to, but which leap out to someone else. What's needed is someone else to read your work... such as an online proofreading service. DC. Special rate for OAPs; Weddings and Bar Mitzvah's catered for; bonus stamps alternate Sundays; etc, etc, etc. | >PS Shouldn't it be "*an* MS-Word file"? | Yes. Ouch. See below ;-) | I've not used the W3C checker before | (http://validator.w3.org/docs/checklink.html presumably?) - at first | glance it looks highly useful - thanks. I just use <rightclick>-Frame-Validate in Opera. You could also look at the Web Accessibility Initiative - they have a checker for accessible web pages. | > apart from | >references to preview.aspx?AssetID | That's part of the URL for the Microsoft page I refer potential | clients to if they want to read up on how 'track changes' works in | Word. The link works and it still goes to the page I want it to. Can | you tell me what W3C says is wrong with it? Not offline, but something about 'entities'. W3C is trying to parse MS's link rather than your code, so I wouldn't worry about it. | Weddings and Bar Mitzvah's catered for; Bar Mitzvah's what? ;-) Owain >| >PS Shouldn't it be "*an* MS-Word file"? >| Yes. Ouch. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Owain Bar Mitzvahs. I'm not to live down this proofreading thing for a while, am I? DC ;) | >Bar Mitzvah's what? ;-) | Bar Mitzvahs. I'm not to live down this proofreading thing | for a while, am I? Maybe you should have a strapline at the top of the page: "if you can't see the intentional mistakes on this page you need a poofreader". Owain >| >Bar Mitzvah's what? ;-) >| Bar Mitzvahs. I'm not to live down this proofreading thing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Owain I'm not sure the editor's sexuality should enter into it though. DC > Interesting - thanks. These days I usually just check out new pages > in IE and Opera as I don't run Netscape any more - I'll see if it's on > the machines at work. I wonder if there's some sort of meta tag to > keep Netscape happy. I'm contemplating migrating to Firefox as > everybody seems to be raving about it (sadly, that probably means its > only a matter of time before viruses start targeting it). If it doesn't have the sort of openings that plague IE, that might be difficult. I do like the tab browsing since I used to have about five IE windows open, and that was apparently much more resource piggy than one Foxfire and the same number of tabbed windows. Now I'm just gonna need something like that for usenet. >> Interesting - thanks. These days I usually just check out new pages >> in IE and Opera as I don't run Netscape any more - I'll see if it's on [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Foxfire and the same number of tabbed windows. Now I'm just gonna need >something like that for usenet. Thanks Bill. Opera has tabbed pages, you get used to it really quickly, and it also runs quite a nice integrated news reader (which I recall Netscape also does - MS expect you to use the bloody awful Outlook Exposed). I noticed when I got my new PC with Word 2003 that MS had got rid of the irritating thing Word used to have of mulitple documents appearing as multiple instances of the application - I'm surprised they didn't go for multiple tabbing on IE at the same time (unless it's someone else's patent). Does Firefox have newsgroup reading built in? DC > Thanks Bill. Opera has tabbed pages, you get used to it really > quickly, Yes, Netscape (Version 7.02 is running on this machine) has had tabbed browsers for some time. Of course, Nescape and Firefox are both incarnations of the Mozilla project, so they'll be similar. > and it also runs quite a nice integrated news reader > (which I recall Netscape also does - I wouldn't call the one in this version of Netscape 'nice'. I abandoned it fairly soon after I started using this machine. To be fair, everything I've tried since also has shortcomings. Of all the newsreaders I've ever tried, only Forte (not-Free) Agent approaches flawlessness. > MS expect you to use the > bloody awful Outlook Exposed). I like this. I've been calling it "Outlook Excuse" for years, but your parody may be better. > I noticed when I got my new PC > with Word 2003 that MS had got rid of the irritating thing Word > used to have of mulitple documents appearing as multiple > instances of the application Have they? That's a reversal. Microsoft used to push what they called the MDI (multiple document interface) model for applications, in which an application that could open multiple documents (such as Word) opened each one in a child window within it's own main window. The child windows could be tiled, cascaded or overlapped, using functions from the Windows API. About the time of Windows 95, they decided that SDI (single...) was the way to go, and provided a way for child windows to appear separately in the task list (Alt-tab) and task bar. All of the MSOffice apps were changed to this model. I thought this was a considerable improvement. I don't see why you don't like it[*], and I'm quite surprised that Microsoft have changed their (purported) minds. - I'm surprised they didn't go for > multiple tabbing on IE at the same time (unless it's someone > else's patent). It might be, though that would hardly worry Microsoft. They'd adopt the idea, and when the patent owner complained, offer him the choice of accepting a $2000 payoff, or spending $200,000,000 proving that Microsoft's slightly different (and inferior) version infringed his patent. I'm being cynical, of course. Tabbed windows have also been a part of the Windows API since Windows 95. Any Windows application programmer can incorporate them easily. [*] I think I can guess, though. Do you *know* about Alt-tab? SignatureMark Barratt Budapest www.geocities.com/nyelvmark >> I noticed when I got my new PC >> with Word 2003 that MS had got rid of the irritating thing Word [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >[*] I think I can guess, though. Do you *know* about Alt-tab? I certainly do, it's an integral part of my Windows experience (!), but you're right, lots of people don't know about it. In fact, what's different in Word 2003 is that while when you alt-tab you see a Word icon for each open document, when you return to one instance of Word, clicking 'Windows' on the task bar shows all the open documents; previously it acted as if each instance was operating entirely seperately. DC > Can you support me in translation my web page in English. > Thank you for every comment. > Goran > > http://cerna.gradiste.com/eng/default.asp I'll give you some help. First the heading: "Do you have a free seat in your car?" That's OK. *"Would you like faster and cheaper to come on your destination?" 1. The main verb should be "get to", not "come on". 2. "faster" and "cheaper" are modifying the verb "get to", not the verb "like". So: "Would you like to get to your destination faster and cheaper?" First paragraph: *"Our intention on this site is to use free seat in drivers car and share a trip price with passenger. You are driver - person who offers the ride or you are a passenger - person who demands the ride. There is a option where passenger insert demand for the ride and this ride demand are searched by driver." "Our intention on this site is to help drivers find passengers to use the spare seats in their cars and share the journey price with them. You can use this site either as a driver who can offer a ride, or as a passenger who wants one." Second paragraph: "Use our database inserting your travel data like: starting point, destination, number of seat, starting time, smoking/nonsmoker, male/female etc. You can search ride offer and quickly answer by the telephone or via e-mail." "Use our database by inserting your travel data, such as: starting point, destination, seats available, starting time, smoking/non-smoking, male/female etc. You can search the database and respond to other subscribers by telephone or e-mail." Sidebar(1): *"All your rides are based on veiling so we are not responsible for your misunderstanding." It's not clear what you mean by "veiling" here, but I *think* what you want is: "All information is provided anonymously by subscribers and is published in good faith. The web site operators are not responsible for any inaccuracies or omissions". Sidebar(2): *"E-mail address of person whom offer or search ride are not visible you are protected from sniffer robots and spam computers." "E-mail addresses of subscribers are not directly visible on the site - this protects you from sniffer robots and spam computers." P.S. What's a sniffer robot? Don't they have those at airports? SignatureMark Barratt Budapest www.geocities.com/nyelvmark |
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