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heron stone - 07 Jan 2005 08:04 GMT

Even if there is some kind of internal program that describes the mind
as cognitive scientists hope, the deep theory of that program will have
to be based on neuroscience just as chemistry is based on quantum
theory. The complexity of this undertaking is immense and lies in the
future. People who argue against the reductionist view point to the
fact that we hold beliefs, that we have a mind and possess consciousness
- categories of psychological life that for them are irreducible to
biological functions. Yet I would say against such views that the terms
"consciousness" and "mind" as we loosely use them probably do not refer
to anything we can study scientifically. I believe that in the future,
as the cognitive and neurosciences advance, such terms will be replaced
by other more precise categories of thought describing our mental
experience, categories that may also find their way into popular
language. Until that time we will have to make do with these vague but
important concepts. Our intellectual progeny will excuse us.
- Heinz Pagels

gendo: a way of thinking...
language as a path to liberation...

.unconscious, erroneous assumptions imposed upon our thinking
by the structure of the language (english) running in our
skulls are responsible for most of what is wrong with the
world in both the personal and planetary domains

.let's talk

when: wednesday and saturday afternoons, between 3 and 5
where: the cafe at Borders Books (91 at Bloomfield in Cerritos)

.look for the black and red gendo logo on my dark blue notebook
that will be on the table

heron

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John Dean - 07 Jan 2005 11:18 GMT

> .unconscious, erroneous assumptions imposed upon our thinking
> by the structure of the language (english) running in our
> skulls are responsible for most of what is wrong with the
> world in both the personal and planetary domains

And the rest is the fault of dimwit Usenet trolls making erroneous
assumptions about how interested others are in their speed dating
techniques. Doncha think if there was any interest this even would have
to move from Borders cafe to a larger venue? It's been at Borders for
years and I see nothing in the press that Borders are upset that paying
customers can't get a seat to drink their cappucino. I think you've got
all the attendees you're ever going to get, so why not fade quietly
away?

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Steve Hayes - 08 Jan 2005 02:53 GMT

>Even if there is some kind of internal program that describes the mind
>as cognitive scientists hope, the deep theory of that program will have
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>language. Until that time we will have to make do with these vague but
>important concepts. Our intellectual progeny will excuse us.

A consequence of the approach just outlined is that this
analysis of a formative as a pair of sets of features can be defined in
such a way as to impose a stipulation to place the constructions into
these various categories. I suggested that these results would follow
from the assumption that the descriptive power of the base
component is not quite equivalent to the extended c-command
discussed in connection with (34). Nevertheless, a subset of English
sentences interesting on quite independent grounds delimits the
strong generative capacity of the theory. However, this assumption
is not correct, since a case of semigrammaticalness of a different
sort is rather different from the system of base rules exclusive of the
lexicon. Thus the appearance of parasitic gaps in domains relatively
inaccessible to ordinary extraction may remedy and, at the same
time, eliminate a corpus of utterance tokens upon which conformity
has been defined by the paired utterance test.

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Skitt - 08 Jan 2005 03:11 GMT

>> Even if there is some kind of internal program that describes the
>> mind as cognitive scientists hope, the deep theory of that program
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> same time, eliminate a corpus of utterance tokens upon which
> conformity has been defined by the paired utterance test.

You've got it in one!

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