Hmm, this group seems to have been pretty much killed off by the
spammers: I just thought I'd try a post to see if anybody else is still
out there..?
Is it just me, or, judging from eye-witness interviews in the broadcast
news, is the use of the horrible phrase "the floor", to supposedly mean
"the ground", now seeming to be considerably gaining in popularity?
(eg, "The police wrestled the thief to 'the floor'.")
Surely, the floor is always the (man-made) surface underfoot
*in a building*[1], and "the floor" cannot be used to describe the
surface underfoot *outside*, which has to be the ground (because it is
outside and exposed to the elements), even if it has been paved or
tarmacced, etc?
[1] I suppose that even in a mud hat built directly on the ground with
no modification to the ground underneath (other than removal of grass,
etc, although I think that where mud huts are built there tends not to
be much grass on the ground) the underfoot surface could still be
"the floor", because, even though it is still unmodified ground, it is
*inside* and therefore has effectively "changed state" from having been
plain ground outside.
This use of "the floor" used to be something rarely heard, but judging
from news reports, it does seem to be being used increasingly often,
even by people who seem to be otherwise fairly well-spoken?
David.
Peter Duncanson - 13 Feb 2011 14:07 GMT
>Hmm, this group seems to have been pretty much killed off by the
>spammers: I just thought I'd try a post to see if anybody else is still
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>outside and exposed to the elements), even if it has been paved or
>tarmacced, etc?
"Floor" is used more widely, as in, for instance, the "ocean floor".
>[1] I suppose that even in a mud hat built directly on the ground with
>no modification to the ground underneath (other than removal of grass,
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>from news reports, it does seem to be being used increasingly often,
>even by people who seem to be otherwise fairly well-spoken?
I agree that its use is more frequent.
OED has among 13 senses of floor:
7.a. A naturally level space or extended surface. Also = the ground
(obs. exc. dial.).
?a1400 ...
1555 R. Eden tr. Peter Martyr of Angleria Decades of Newe Worlde
f. 234, The vpper crust or floure of the earth.
1638 Milton Lycidas in Obsequies Edward King 25 in Justa Edouardo
King, Sunk though he be beneath the watry floore.
....
1865 Garland in Jrnl. Roy. Inst. Cornw. Apr. 48 Floor, a grass
meadow.
1871 L. Stephen Playground of Europe (1894) ix. 198 Forests of
pine rise steeply from the meadow floor.
b. the floor (Cricket colloq.): the ground. So to put a catch on
the floor: to fail to hold it.
1903 Strand Mag. XXV. 624/2 A large majority of them [sc.
catches] were ‘put on the floor’.
1960 Times 14 June 16/1 With the field drawn tight around the
bat and catches being snapped up off the floor.

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John Hall - 13 Feb 2011 18:04 GMT
>Hmm, this group seems to have been pretty much killed off by the
>spammers:
I find that the news.individual.net news server does a very good job of
filtering out the spam. It's well worth the 10 euros a year. I can't
recall when I last saw a piece of spam in this group.
> I just thought I'd try a post to see if anybody else is still
>out there..?
I suspect that there are quite a few of us.
>Is it just me, or, judging from eye-witness interviews in the broadcast
>news, is the use of the horrible phrase "the floor", to supposedly mean
>"the ground", now seeming to be considerably gaining in popularity?
>(eg, "The police wrestled the thief to 'the floor'.")
<snip>
I haven't noticed this, but then I don't watch or listen to broadcast
news bulletins very often.

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Peter Duncanson - 13 Feb 2011 19:43 GMT
>>Hmm, this group seems to have been pretty much killed off by the
>>spammers:
>
>I find that the news.individual.net news server does a very good job of
>filtering out the spam. It's well worth the 10 euros a year.
Agreed. I use it.
>I can't
>recall when I last saw a piece of spam in this group.
One occasionally slips through. This seems to be the most recent:
Subject: 2010 Fashion Shoes,top quality the lowest price...
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010
>> I just thought I'd try a post to see if anybody else is still
>>out there..?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>I haven't noticed this, but then I don't watch or listen to broadcast
>news bulletins very often.

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Paul - 19 Feb 2011 16:02 GMT
"The police wrestled the thief to 'the floor'."
Were the thief and the police inside a building or out there in the
open when the wrestling took place?
Peter Duncanson - 19 Feb 2011 17:25 GMT
>"The police wrestled the thief to 'the floor'."
>
>Were the thief and the police inside a building or out there in the
>open when the wrestling took place?
Either.

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