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Discussion Groups / British English / March 2011Brogues gallery.
This week's Radio Times (article p101, "Who is Guy Martin?") refers to his "Lincolnshire brogue". Brogue? To me, that seems an odd term for anything but an Irish accent. His accent, incidentally, immediately sounded a bit familiar when I first heard it. Then I remembered - the young Kevin Keegan. A quick Google tells me that they weren't born far apart, though in different counties - Kirmington, Lincs and Armthorpe, Doncaster, Yorks.  SignaturePhil C. > This week's Radio Times (article p101, "Who is Guy Martin?") refers to > his "Lincolnshire brogue". Brogue? To me, that seems an odd term for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Google tells me that they weren't born far apart, though in different > counties - Kirmington, Lincs and Armthorpe, Doncaster, Yorks. I find the talk of a Lincolnshire accent quite strange too. As anyone looking at a map knows Lincolnshire is quite a long county. There is also a vast difference between a north Lincolnshire accent and one from the south like mine (or Geoff Capes if you want someone famous). However quite a few of the unusual pronunciations and dialect words are present county wide so I was pleased to hear his pronunciation of water (to almost rhyme with batter). I hope to hear frit and/or mardy over the next few weeks - although I'm sure Guy Martin is never frit of anything. SignatureAndy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials" - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_ >> This week's Radio Times (article p101, "Who is Guy Martin?") refers to >> his "Lincolnshire brogue". Brogue? To me, that seems an odd term for [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > over the next few weeks - although I'm sure Guy Martin is never frit > of anything. Does "mardy" mean grumpy? If so, it also exists as far west as The Potteries (North West Midlands) and, I assume, all points between. East Midlands dialects have been of much interest to me lately, for various reasons. There's a discussion on Wikipedia (so of course it must all be true) at - <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Midlands_English> From the glossary, I recall "nesh" (prone to feel the cold) was common in the Potteries. The discussion of Kettering (Northants) also surprised me. It says - <<In Kettering (north of the Watford Gap) the word 'glass' rhymes with 'mass' whereas in Northampton, only 14 miles further south but south of the Watford Gap, the pronunciation of 'glass' rhymes with 'farce'.>> Leaving aside, that "mass" is pronounced with a long 'a' by those of posh Old Catholic family and that "farce" doesn't rhyme with farce in rhotic dialects <ahem, ahem>, Mrs C. lived in Kettering for the first 8 years of her life. She'd never even heard the short 'a' till she moves to Oundle. But I'm sure Wikipedia knows best. SignaturePhil C. >>> This week's Radio Times (article p101, "Who is Guy Martin?") refers to >>> his "Lincolnshire brogue". Brogue? To me, that seems an odd term for [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >true) at - ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Midlands_English> When I was growing up in Nottingham (Queen of the East Midlands, innit), to be mardy was to sulk, refuse to join in anything mildly adventurous, and be a bit of a crybaby. SignatureRobin Bignall (BrE) Herts, England >>>> This week's Radio Times (article p101, "Who is Guy Martin?") refers to >>>> his "Lincolnshire brogue". Brogue? To me, that seems an odd term for [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > When I was growing up in Nottingham (Queen of the East Midlands, innit), > to be mardy was to sulk Yep sulking is the meaning I would use. Taking it a bit further and I would probably say that someone would have a monk on but I think that phrase also has wider currency than just Lincolnshire. SignatureAndy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials" - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_ >>> This week's Radio Times (article p101, "Who is Guy Martin?") refers to >>> his "Lincolnshire brogue". Brogue? To me, that seems an odd term for [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > true) at - ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Midlands_English> I'm from the very south of Lincolnshire and fairly eastwards as well so the local accent and dialect is a lot closer to the fen accent. One of the local pecularities is the past tense of some verbs. As well as frit (used all over Lincs) we have frez (frozen), tret (treated) and I'm sure more but I would have to think about the words I use. I will note that the wiki page you linked to as Now then (as a greeting) pronounced as Nah Theen in Lincolnshire. It certainly wasn't when I was growing up. It is pronounced something like nairn. Although the vowel sounds are far more strangled than just that. It sometimes comes out more like [n eh air un]. The wiki page on Lincolnshire has it about right. SignatureAndy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials" - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_ > I will note that the wiki page you linked to as Now then (as a greeting) > pronounced as Nah Theen in Lincolnshire. It certainly wasn't when I was > growing up. It is pronounced something like nairn. Although the vowel > sounds are far more strangled than just that. It sometimes comes out > more like [n eh air un]. The wiki page on Lincolnshire has it about right. In glossaries, it's hard to tell where dialect ends and accent begins - but that use of the expression "Now then" is certainly dialect. We've got Lincs friends who even answer the phone with it. I think their version (further west than yours but very rural and local) is more a distinct "Nah then", but I haven't listened closely. SignaturePhil C. >> I will note that the wiki page you linked to as Now then (as a greeting) >> pronounced as Nah Theen in Lincolnshire. It certainly wasn't when I was [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > version (further west than yours but very rural and local) is more a > distinct "Nah then", but I haven't listened closely. By chance, this article in today's Guardian has a bit on Eastern dialects - <http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2011/mar/10/archive-man-who-collected-dialects> SignaturePhil C. >This week's Radio Times (article p101, "Who is Guy Martin?") refers to >his "Lincolnshire brogue". Brogue? To me, that seems an odd term for >anything but an Irish accent. According to the OED it can be more general. A strongly-marked dialectal pronunciation or accent; now particularly used of the peculiarities that generally mark the English speech of Ireland, which is treated spec. as "the brogue". >His accent, incidentally, immediately sounded a bit familiar when I >first heard it. Then I remembered - the young Kevin Keegan. A quick >Google tells me that they weren't born far apart, though in different >counties - Kirmington, Lincs and Armthorpe, Doncaster, Yorks. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in uk.culture.language.english) |
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