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- Loco By Nature - - 07 Mar 2004 07:52 GMT
Is one of these phrases wrong?

1 "They are both tall."
2 "They both are tall."

If both are considered right, which one is recommended?

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David - 07 Mar 2004 08:53 GMT
> Is one of these phrases wrong?

> 1 "They are both tall."
> 2 "They both are tall."

> If both are considered right, which one is recommended?

Neither are wrong but the second isn't good modern English. An
alternative way of saying it might be to exclude the word "they" and in
this case, "both are tall" would be the correct order of words.

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Molly Mockford - 07 Mar 2004 09:19 GMT
At 08:53:27 on Sun, 7 Mar 2004, David <david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote in
<4c8bda18e0david@dacha.freeuk.com>:

>Neither are wrong but the second isn't good modern English.

David!  Neither *is* wrong.
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David - 07 Mar 2004 09:36 GMT
> At 08:53:27 on Sun, 7 Mar 2004, David <david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote
> in <4c8bda18e0david@dacha.freeuk.com>:

> >Neither are wrong but the second isn't good modern English.

> David!  Neither *is* wrong.

Molly! Don't you ever use idiomatic English?

(Must be the terribly upsetting effect of Alistair Cooke not leaving us
with a few last words after all these years.)

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John Hall - 07 Mar 2004 09:41 GMT
>> Is one of these phrases wrong?
>
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>
>Neither are wrong but the second isn't good modern English.
<snip>

Shouldn't that be "neither is wrong"?
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David - 07 Mar 2004 14:08 GMT
> >> Is one of these phrases wrong?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> >Neither are wrong but the second isn't good modern English.
> <snip>

> Shouldn't that be "neither is wrong"?

We've done that. I was having a bad hare day!

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Coll - 07 Mar 2004 15:48 GMT
>In article <aMmLjNDi5uSAFwot@jhall.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
>> >Neither are wrong but the second isn't good modern English.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>We've done that. I was having a bad hare day!

Too much rabbiting?
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David - 07 Mar 2004 18:24 GMT
> >In article <aMmLjNDi5uSAFwot@jhall.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
> >> >Neither are wrong but the second isn't good modern English.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> >
> >We've done that. I was having a bad hare day!

> Too much rabbiting?

Stop hounding me!

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Coll - 07 Mar 2004 18:53 GMT
>> >In article <aMmLjNDi5uSAFwot@jhall.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
>> >> >Neither are wrong but the second isn't good modern English.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Stop hounding me!

Only if you stop badgering me! (she said, doggedly).
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David - 07 Mar 2004 19:50 GMT
> >> >In article <aMmLjNDi5uSAFwot@jhall.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
> >> >> >Neither are wrong but the second isn't good modern English.
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> >
> Only if you stop badgering me! (she said, doggedly).

Weasel words won't work, you know. We'll ferret out what you mean
eventually.

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Coll - 07 Mar 2004 20:57 GMT
>> >> >In article <aMmLjNDi5uSAFwot@jhall.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
>> >> >> >Neither are wrong but the second isn't good modern English.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Weasel words won't work, you know. We'll ferret out what you mean
>eventually.

Oh deer.
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David - 07 Mar 2004 23:46 GMT
> >> >> >In article <aMmLjNDi5uSAFwot@jhall.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
> >> >> >> >Neither are wrong but the second isn't good modern English.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> >
> Oh deer.

Stop fawning like that. Such words only fall on fallow ground.

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Coll - 08 Mar 2004 00:08 GMT
>> >> >> >In article <aMmLjNDi5uSAFwot@jhall.demon.co.uk>, John Hall
>> >> >> >> >Neither are wrong but the second isn't good modern English.
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>
>Stop fawning like that. Such words only fall on fallow ground.

That's a rutting thing to say. I'm staggered!
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David - 08 Mar 2004 00:19 GMT
> >> Oh deer.
> >
> >Stop fawning like that. Such words only fall on fallow ground.
> >
> That's a rutting thing to say. I'm staggered!

Staggering eh? Sounds like you're tight as a newt.

Well, that's it for toady: soon be tomorrow.

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