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Peter Harris - 23 Aug 2004 21:07 GMT
Does anyone here know the origin of the phrase "Charlie's dead",
meaning 'your petticoat is showing'? I've done a Google but found
nothing, other than "Queen Anne's dead" is used also.
Anyone?

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Tony Mountifield - 23 Aug 2004 22:10 GMT
> Does anyone here know the origin of the phrase "Charlie's dead",
> meaning 'your petticoat is showing'? I've done a Google but found
> nothing, other than "Queen Anne's dead" is used also.
> Anyone?

Probably means the petticoat is flying at half mast.

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Phil C. - 24 Aug 2004 12:52 GMT
>> Does anyone here know the origin of the phrase "Charlie's dead",
>> meaning 'your petticoat is showing'? I've done a Google but found
>> nothing, other than "Queen Anne's dead" is used also.
>> Anyone?
>
>Probably means the petticoat is flying at half mast.

OTTOMH "Queen Anne" could also be alluding to the plant Queen Anne's
Lace - i.e. tactfully hinting that lace is on show.

http://website.lineone.net/~stolarczyk/queen.html#name
gives suggestions as to the origin of the plant name.

Partridge suggests that Charlie/Charley is old rhyming slang from
Charley Hunt - but that seems a long shot to explain a rather polite
expression.
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Molly Mockford - 24 Aug 2004 19:42 GMT
At 21:07:55 on Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Peter Harris
<pharris@bootup.demon.co.uk> wrote in
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>Does anyone here know the origin of the phrase "Charlie's dead",
>meaning 'your petticoat is showing'? I've done a Google but found
>nothing, other than "Queen Anne's dead" is used also.
>Anyone?

In my youth, we used to say "It's raining in Paris" in such
circumstances.  I have no idea why.  The French said "Tu cherche une
belle-mere" (you're looking for a mother-in-law) which makes much more
sense.
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FB - 25 Aug 2004 22:46 GMT
> The French said "Tu cherche une belle-mere" (you're looking for a mother-in-law) which makes much more
> sense.

Does it?

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FB - 25 Aug 2004 14:26 GMT
> Does anyone here know the origin of the phrase "Charlie's dead",
> meaning 'your petticoat is showing'? I've done a Google but found
> nothing, other than "Queen Anne's dead" is used also.
> Anyone?

<non-native speaker>

What does "your petticoat is showing" mean?

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Tony Mountifield - 25 Aug 2004 15:26 GMT
> > Does anyone here know the origin of the phrase "Charlie's dead",
> > meaning 'your petticoat is showing'? I've done a Google but found
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>
> What does "your petticoat is showing" mean?

Well, an attempt in Google proved amusing:

1. to Italian: il vostro isolatore a campana sta mostrando

2. back to English: your bell insulator is showing

Not sure in which direction the meaning was lost! :-)

A petticoat is a ladies' skirt-like undergarment worn inside a normal
skirt or dress. It is/was considered impolite if the lower edge of
the petticoat was lower than the outer skirt so that it could be seen.

"Charlie's dead" was a discreet, euphemistic way of informing the
unaware wearer, so that she could go and adjust it.

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Tony Mountifield - 25 Aug 2004 15:28 GMT
> > What does "your petticoat is showing" mean?
>
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>
> Not sure in which direction the meaning was lost! :-)

Actually, on closer inspection it was obviously from English to Italian!

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Mike Barnes - 25 Aug 2004 15:37 GMT
In uk.culture.language.english, FB wrote:

>> Does anyone here know the origin of the phrase "Charlie's dead",
>> meaning 'your petticoat is showing'? I've done a Google but found
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>What does "your petticoat is showing" mean?

http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/Exhibitions/ManitobaCrafts/throughthedecades/images/
crafts/dollfemale_dress.jpg


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Rotes Sapiens - 28 Aug 2004 02:39 GMT
>Does anyone here know the origin of the phrase "Charlie's dead",
>meaning 'your petticoat is showing'? I've done a Google but found
>nothing, other than "Queen Anne's dead" is used also.
>Anyone?

I'll take a long shot and suggest that it's a reference to Bonnie
Prince Charlie who used to wear lace?  (For those who don't wear
petticoats, they are made of a lace like material.)

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David - 28 Aug 2004 09:09 GMT
> >Does anyone here know the origin of the phrase "Charlie's dead",
> >meaning 'your petticoat is showing'? I've done a Google but found
> >nothing, other than "Queen Anne's dead" is used also.
> >Anyone?

> I'll take a long shot and suggest that it's a reference to Bonnie
> Prince Charlie who used to wear lace?  (For those who don't wear
> petticoats, they are made of a lace like material.)

They're also made of a lace like material for those who do wear them,
possibly more so.

> Sig:
> I have a brain the size of a planet.  It's not much good to me,
> however.  It's on a different planet.

Obviously. :-)

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Brian {Hamilton Kelly} - 29 Aug 2004 15:27 GMT
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> Does anyone here know the origin of the phrase "Charlie's dead",
> meaning 'your petticoat is showing'? I've done a Google but found
> nothing, other than "Queen Anne's dead" is used also.

"Queen Anne is dead" has nothing to do with "your slip is showing".
Rather it's what is said to the bearer of stale news.

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