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Steve - 29 Aug 2004 17:52 GMT
One months notice
or
One month's notice

How does that work then?
John Hall - 29 Aug 2004 17:57 GMT
>One months notice
>or
>One month's notice
>
>How does that work then?

The second is correct. It's equivalent to "notice of one month", i.e.
it's a possessive.
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Joe Fogey - 30 Aug 2004 20:55 GMT
According to the Guardian stylebook, "use apostrophes in phrases such as in
two days' time ..... where the time period (two days) modifies a noun
(time), but not in nine months pregnant ....... where the time period is
adverbial (modifying an adjective such as pregnant.....)". Notice in this
case is a noun so it would be one month's notice.

Fogey

> One months notice
> or
> One month's notice
>
> How does that work then?
John Briggs - 30 Aug 2004 23:39 GMT
> According to the Guardian stylebook, "use apostrophes in phrases such as
> in two days' time ..... where the time period (two days) modifies a noun
> (time), but not in nine months pregnant ....... where the time period is
> adverbial (modifying an adjective such as pregnant.....)". Notice in this
> case is a noun so it would be one month's notice.

The advice is certainly correct - but I'm not convinced by the reasoning.
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Matti Lamprhey - 31 Aug 2004 09:23 GMT
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote...
> > According to the Guardian stylebook, "use apostrophes in phrases such as
> > in two days' time ..... where the time period (two days) modifies a noun
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> The advice is certainly correct - but I'm not convinced by the reasoning.

It's a possessive-type case expressing the notion "notice OF [time
period]".

A simpler test is to ask yourself how you would express it were the
period just one month.  If you use _one month_ then it's adverbial (no
apostrophe);  if you add the 's' then it must be _one month's_.

Matti
John Briggs - 31 Aug 2004 13:55 GMT
> "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote...
>>> According to the Guardian stylebook, "use apostrophes in phrases such as
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> It's a possessive-type case expressing the notion "notice OF [time
> period]".

Yes, I know.  But I wonder if that's what they mean by "modifies a noun".

> A simpler test is to ask yourself how you would express it were the
> period just one month.  If you use _one month_ then it's adverbial (no
> apostrophe);  if you add the 's' then it must be _one month's_.

I'm not convinced that it really is adverbial, rather than adjectival.
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Matti Lamprhey - 31 Aug 2004 14:21 GMT
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote...
> > "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote...
> >>> According to the Guardian stylebook, "use apostrophes in phrases
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> I'm not convinced that it really is adverbial, rather than adjectival.

You'd be right not to be convinced -- it IS adjectival.  That's when the
apostrophe is required.

Perhaps this is the best way to tie my rule in with the Guardian's:
when the period modifies a noun, it's adjectival and represents "<noun>
OF <period>" -- possessive in form and requiring the apostrophe;  when,
on the other hand, the period modifies an adjective, it's adverbial and
represents "<adjective> FOR <period>" -- not possessive in form and not
requiring the apostrophe.

Matti
 
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