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Discussion Groups / British English / March 2005Oblique mood
Anyone know what the "oblique mood" is? Seems to come from Greek and Slavic languages... > Anyone know what the "oblique mood" is? Seems to come from Greek and > Slavic languages... Yeah its when I lean over and moan. (Just kidding). Don't be 'cute. > Don't be 'cute. Why not? One doesn't need to have a broom up one's arse to live you know. On Thursday, in article <422f88c4$2$1235$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> > > Don't be 'cute. > > Why not? One doesn't need to have a broom up one's arse to live you > know. I *suspect* that you missed the apostrophe: this was intended to convey aphaeresistic modification of "acute", which might be construed as the opposite of "oblique". In answer to the original query, then Chambers' Dictionary claims that the "oblique case" is "any case other than the nominative or vocative". However, Bodmer seems to consider the "oblique cases" as excluding the genitive as well. I can find no book on grammar that acknowledges an oblique *mood*.  SignatureBrian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte." Blaise Pascal, /Lettres Provinciales/, 1657 It's a joke... 'cute = acute... maybe it's just not funny. >It's a joke... 'cute = acute... maybe it's just not funny. Don't worry, it made me smile. SignatureJohn Hall "Home is heaven and orgies are vile, But you *need* an orgy, once in a while." Ogden Nash (1902-1971) <vorotyntsev@yahoo.com> wrote... > It's a joke... 'cute = acute... maybe it's just not funny. It would be in other groups; here, we take it for granted that "cute = acute" because that's how the word originated. Matti > <vorotyntsev@yahoo.com> wrote... >> It's a joke... 'cute = acute... maybe it's just not funny. > > It would be in other groups; here, we take it for granted that > "cute = acute" because that's how the word originated. Good heavens, that had never occurred to me. What nationality are you Matti, I'm sure I can weave an after dinner story out of being given insights into English by a Finn/Latvian/Norwegian or whatever you are. I did not know that... thanks. > It's a joke... 'cute = acute... maybe it's just not funny. Yes sorry. As Brian pointed out, I missed the apostrophe. Apologies and well done for the joke, too subtle even for a native English speaker such as I ;-) It's OK; it was pretty obscure. Don't you mean "...such as me"? (Just kidding) On 10 Mar, in article <1110487071.946472.15230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> > It's OK; it was pretty obscure. > > Don't you mean "...such as me"? (Just kidding) Do you suppose you could provide a /little/ bit of context, quoted, in your posts? Not everyone uses a newsreader that threads by analysing the References header (my own only threads by Subject, and date of receipt). SignatureBrian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte." Blaise Pascal, /Lettres Provinciales/, 1657 > On 10 Mar, in article > <1110487071.946472.15230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > le loisir de la faire plus courte." > Blaise Pascal, /Lettres Provinciales/, 1657 Is that better? >> On 10 Mar, in article >> <1110487071.946472.15230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> analysing the References header (my own only threads by Subject, and >> date of receipt). > Is that better? Almost, but you should have cut out Brian's sig probably, as I did. The idea is to leave enough in so that people who come in at that point can understand what the thread is about On 11 Mar, in article <1110580371.344413.106260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> [snip everything that I had previously quoted, despite its now being irrelevant] > > Do you suppose you could provide a /little/ bit of context, quoted, > in > > your posts? [snip more extraneous material, including (sigh) my .sig] > Is that better? No; do you not understand the concept of "little"? SignatureBrian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte." Blaise Pascal, /Lettres Provinciales/, 1657 > On 11 Mar, in article > <1110580371.344413.106260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk > "Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu > le loisir de la faire plus courte." > Blaise Pascal, /Lettres Provinciales/, 1657 Some people are never satisfied. > It's OK; it was pretty obscure. > > Don't you mean "...such as me"? (Just kidding) Think yourself lucky lad, it's not often one gets an I there from me ;-) > > It's OK; it was pretty obscure. > > > > Don't you mean "...such as me"? (Just kidding) > > Think yourself lucky lad, it's not often one gets an I there from me ;-) OK, so which is correct, "...such as I" or "...such as me"? >>> It's OK; it was pretty obscure. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > OK, so which is correct, "...such as I" or "...such as me"? Me would say "such as I" ;-) but I probably use 'like me' more frequently. > > > It's OK; it was pretty obscure. > > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > OK, so which is correct, "...such as I" or "...such as me"? I think it would depend on the case of the noun it was complementing. "A person such as I would never do that." "He would never give it to a person such as me." So in the sentence originally referred to, I think "such as me" would have been right (but I'm willing to be corrected). Cheers Tony SignatureTony Mountifield Work: tony@softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk Play: tony@mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org >>>It's OK; it was pretty obscure. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > OK, so which is correct, "...such as I" or "...such as me"? It depends on whether it is the subject or the object of the sentence - however I would point out that it sounds very formal and I'd never use this structure myself. More usual in modern usage is the structure "like me". Regards, Einde O'Callaghan On Saturday, in article <39ftbeF5vohqdU1@individual.net> "einde.ocallaghan"@planet-interkom.de "einde. ocallaghan" wrote: > It depends on whether it is the subject or the object of the sentence - > however I would point out that it sounds very formal and I'd never use > this structure myself. More usual in modern usage is the structure "like > me". [At which point, the polar bear pats the fox on the head, and says "I like you, little chap".] Similarly, most people say "It's me"; whereas the Bible, correctly, has Christ saying "Be not afraid, it is I". SignatureBrian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte." Blaise Pascal, /Lettres Provinciales/, 1657 >OK, so which is correct, "...such as I" or "...such as me"? It's short for "...such as I am", which makes the answer clear. SignatureJohn Hall "I don't even butter my bread; I consider that cooking." Katherine Cebrian On Thursday, in article <423051cc$0$819$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> > > It's a joke... 'cute = acute... maybe it's just not funny. > > Yes sorry. As Brian pointed out, I missed the apostrophe. Apologies and > well done for the joke, too subtle even for a native English speaker > such as I ;-) :-) However, this still doesn't solve the OP's problem, if indeed he is still looking for something about the "oblique MOOD". Perhaps a little more context from him? SignatureBrian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte." Blaise Pascal, /Lettres Provinciales/, 1657 Someone brought it up on another board... evidently it is a kind of subjunctive, present in other languages. I was just wondering if any of the experts here knew if it exists or ever existed in English. |
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