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ADPUF - 22 Apr 2005 22:27 GMT
Can anybody answer Jim's question?

Thanks.

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: question for the British
> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:15:37 -0700
> From: "Jim >
>
> My son Jarod (16 months old) is just starting to get into
> Thomas the Tank Engine and we bought the DVD set of the early
> years with Ringo narrating.
>  
> It seems that the highest compliment you can pay a train
> engine is to say it is "really useful".  
> I'm curious to know if this phrase is commonly used in England
> or if it is peculiar to the Thomas series?
>  
> Jim

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David - 22 Apr 2005 23:31 GMT
> Can anybody answer Jim's question?

> Thanks.

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> > Subject: question for the British
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> >  
> > Jim

I don't think many of us go around complimenting railway engines.

"Really useful", however, is a really useful phrase, particularly when
trying to justify spending far too much on the latest labour saving
kitchen device which will, within two weeks, disappear into the deepest
recesses of the kitchen drawer, not to resurface until next spring.

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Peter Duncanson - 23 Apr 2005 00:14 GMT
>Can anybody answer Jim's question?
>
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>> I'm curious to know if this phrase is commonly used in England
>> or if it is peculiar to the Thomas series?

"really useful" is used in the name of a group of entertainment companies in
England:

http://www.reallyuseful.com/rug/really/

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Paul Burke - 25 Apr 2005 08:50 GMT
>>My son Jarod (16 months old) is just starting to get into
>>Thomas the Tank Engine and we bought the DVD set of the early
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>>I'm curious to know if this phrase is commonly used in England
>>or if it is peculiar to the Thomas series?

Definitely a peculiarity of the Rev Awdry. The relationship between the
engines is largely modelled on the behaviour of boys at a minor prep
school: the Fat Controller representing the Head.

Off topic, what is on the smokebox door at the OTHER end of the double
ended engines?

Paul Burke
Dave Fawthrop - 25 Apr 2005 16:06 GMT
| Can anybody answer Jim's question?
|
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| > I'm curious to know if this phrase is commonly used in England
| > or if it is peculiar to the Thomas series?

It has spread a bit from there.
Andrew Lloyd Webber's Really Useful Group
http://www.reallyuseful.com/rug/html/index.htm

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Nick Wagg - 25 Apr 2005 16:46 GMT
> | Can anybody answer Jim's question?
> |
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> Andrew Lloyd Webber's Really Useful Group
> http://www.reallyuseful.com/rug/html/index.htm

No. It predates RUG by several decades.
The expression was used in the original TTTE series
which were ancient when I started reading them in the
early 1960s.
Philip Powell - 26 Apr 2005 08:25 GMT
>> | Can anybody answer Jim's question?
>> |
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>which were ancient when I started reading them in the
>early 1960s.

I think Dave's point was that it now could be found further afield than
just TTTE rather than that ALW's RUG group originated it.

Of course, the most really useful thing a steam locomotive did was the
11.29 down to Oakworth that stopped just in time to avoid flattening
Miss Agutter.

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paul - 28 Apr 2005 19:19 GMT
>Can anybody answer Jim's question?
>Thanks.
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>> It seems that the highest compliment you can pay a train
>> engine is to say it is "really useful".

I believe this stems from the premise that all the other engines in the
Thomas books have pretty well defined roles;  Thomas' role is supposed
to be minor and anthropomorphized to be 'not as good as' any of them.
However, the story lines continually turn to show just how varied and
versatile and 'helpful' Thomas can be and thus the conclusion is reached
that it is "really useful" i.e. not just an unimportant and minor engine
after all.

>> I'm curious to know if this phrase is commonly used in England
>> or if it is peculiar to the Thomas series?

In much the same way that Swiss Army pen-knives and multi-gadget tools
may have been initially acquired primarily for one role but excel at
many others:  they're often held to be "really useful".
In the rush hour I might use several really useful short cuts to avoid
the queues and lessen my journey time.
Sometimes advertisers extol the virtues of a piece of (imported) tat in
order to make a quick profit and hence one sees:  "limited offer - this
really useful xyz can be yours for only 9.95 inclusive".

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