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Young Sociolinguist - 04 Jan 2006 17:53 GMT
Hello,
 as you could see some time ago, I'm looking for British people who
would be so kind as to fill in a questionnaire about British English.
I'm really thankful for the help three Britons provided me with, but I
need at least twenty respondents. I'd be great if you could give me
some ideas, e.g. addresses of other websites where British respondents
can be found.
This is what I've done so far:
I wrote a note in English, printed it out, made several copies, posted
them on the premises of my faculty, in the British Centre in Gdansk,
whose secretary I consulted, I went to the British Library in Gdansk
and spoke to the librarians, I sent e-mails to all of my friends,
asking them to forward the message to all Britons they know, I spoke to

almost every acquaintance of mine who knows British people. So far I
only have answers from six persons, three of whom I met here at Google
Groups. If you know what else can be done (apart from becoming barmy
and begging the British in Birmingham), do tell me. Thanks in advance.
Let me say once again that if any of you would like me to be a
respondent in a language survey, I'll be happy to do it.
John of Aix - 04 Jan 2006 20:53 GMT
> Hello,
>  as you could see some time ago, I'm looking for British people who
> would be so kind as to fill in a questionnaire about British English.

Send the link again and I'll give it a try.
Young Sociolinguist - 06 Jan 2006 10:58 GMT
It's not a link, but an e-mail with a MS Word file, so I'll send you
the text of the questionnaire, so that you can hand in the answers via
e-mail as well. By the way, I'd rather my respondents weren't
professional linguists, because they know too much about the field. I
have a state-of-the-art virus protection program, so do not worry about
unsolicited surprises that could be attached to messages from me.
Thanks (if you're a professor of normative linguistics, do not hesitate
to inform me ;-).
John of Aix - 07 Jan 2006 09:20 GMT
> It's not a link, but an e-mail with a MS Word file, so I'll send you

It'll bounce so don't bother.
Young Sociolinguist - 06 Jan 2006 23:22 GMT
This is not a link, but an MS Word file I can send via e-mail. See
below for more details.

I am a fifth-year student of English Philology
at the University of Gdansk, Poland. I am currently writing my MA
thesis
on sociolinguistics, a significant part of which is
a questionnaire to be completed by native speakers of British English,
i.e. people born and educated in Great Britain, whatever their origin.
The questionnaire consists of several specimens of the written and
the spoken language and the task of the judges will be to assess them.
Completing it does not take more time than doing a small crossword.
The judges will not be asked to reveal their personal data such as
their
name, age or address and no attempts whatsoever will be made to
estimate their
command of English or general knowledge. If you would like to
participate
in the project, thus contributing to my dissertation, please send me
an e-mail and I will send you an MS Word file containing the
questionnaire.
You can hand in your answers either by e-mail or by post. If you are
unable
to help me in person, please ask if someone from your family and
friends could be of assistance.
You can read about the department where I am studying at
<http://www.fh.ug.gda.pl/struktura_wydzialu/instytut_anglistyki/anglis...>

(in Polish);
alternatively, check <www.univ.gda.pl> and go to the English version.
Thank you in advance.
Yours faithfully,

Y. Sociolinguist, Gdansk University, Poland.

spooky...@interia.pl
Giles Todd - 09 Jan 2006 02:33 GMT
> This is not a link, but an MS Word file I can send via e-mail. See
> below for more details.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>  on sociolinguistics, a significant part of which is
> a questionnaire to be completed by native speakers of British English,

http://emlab.berkeley.edu/users/bhhall/e244/sampsel.pdf

Giles
Young Sociolinguist - 09 Jan 2006 19:55 GMT
Thank you for the link. I'm not a mathematician and I never took the
Polish version of A-levels in Maths, hence my survey is based on
counting the score in the simplest way possible. My M.A. supervisor
does not want me to use advanced statistical methods and use them I
shall not. I understand you want to show me that conducting a research
is no easy task. I know what you mean, but I really can't pay attention
to all technicalities of the trade if my survey itself is not
complicated. Cheers.
Giles Todd - 10 Jan 2006 00:40 GMT
> Thank you for the link. I'm not a mathematician and I never took the
> Polish version of A-levels in Maths, hence my survey is based on
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> to all technicalities of the trade if my survey itself is not
> complicated. Cheers.

Fair enough, just so long as you and your supervisor are both aware
that your results will be both statistically and practically worthless
unless you do pay attention to sample selection.

Giles
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I don't know why I bother sometimes.

Young Sociolinguist - 10 Jan 2006 14:25 GMT
to Giles Todd: You really needn't (make me) worry about that. The
survey is all about giving scores from 0 to 5. It does not take into
account the respondents' age, sex, education, ethnic origin, etc. as
criteria regulating the results in practice. I'd be ideal if I could
work in cooperation with several British universities and ask a group
of 100 or more people of different ages, social backgrounds and coming
from different parts of the UK to fill in the questionnaire. In
practice, I have to count all the responses I can possibly obtain.
C'est la vie. Besides, the only task of my survey is to show how a
concept I am going to present can be made use of in sociolinguistic
practice.

Maciek
Pedt - 12 Jan 2006 19:08 GMT
In message <1136903110.718832.143770@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, at
06:25:10 on Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Young Sociolinguist <spooky.fm@interia.pl>
wibbled

>Besides, the only task of my survey is to show how a
>concept I am going to present can be made use of in sociolinguistic
>practice.

With respect Maciek, you are going to have to demonstrate that your
concept can be translated into practice - and that means you do have
to consider statistics, samples etc.

If you don't consider them, then you will find it very difficult to have
your concept accepted for use.

In for a penny.... OK, send me your .doc file and I'll complete it and
get SWCSE to complete it as well and I'll send both back in the same
email. That might just show your supervisor that you do have to consider
samples as SWCSE and myself are at pretty much the opposite ends of the
scale as regards fluent English.

My Reply-To: works and spooky.fm@interia.pl is now on the accept list
for documents until I get the .doc file.

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Pedt

Young Sociolinguist - 14 Jan 2006 15:12 GMT
Thank you for your interest as well as for your opinion on the matter,
but there is nothing I could possibly add to my previous message.
Unfortunately, your e-mail address visible here is obliterated, so that
I cannot send you the file unless you send me an e-mail or make the
whole of your address visible at Usenet. I'm looking forward to hearing
from you.
Y.S.
Molly Mockford - 14 Jan 2006 17:13 GMT
At 07:12:52 on Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Young Sociolinguist
<spooky.fm@interia.pl> wrote in
<1137251572.775573.312300@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

>Thank you for your interest as well as for your opinion on the matter,
>but there is nothing I could possibly add to my previous message.
>Unfortunately, your e-mail address visible here is obliterated, so that
>I cannot send you the file unless you send me an e-mail or make the
>whole of your address visible at Usenet.

The address is visible throughout Usenet.  But *you* aren't using
Usenet.  You're using GoogleGroups, which is a horrible malformed
interface to the real Usenet, and I strongly recommend that you use a
real newsreader instead.  It is Google which munges e-mail address, to
avoid spambot harvesting on the web.

Try clicking on Options (or whatever similar link Google offers) and
looking for Original Message, or Raw Text, or some similar wording,
which will enable you to see the post before Google messed around with
it.  This should also, incidentally, take you to a link whereby you can
quote enough of the post to which you are replying to provide a little
context, in the way that you will have seen the rest of us do.
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Molly Mockford
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin
(My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.)

Ivan - 14 Jan 2006 19:42 GMT
> At 07:12:52 on Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Young Sociolinguist
> <spooky.fm@interia.pl> wrote in
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin
> (My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.)

That won't work. You can, however, click on the email address in
question, and Google will ask you for a code to enter (one of those
graphic windows used to defeat spammers), then let you see the whole
address.

Ivan
John Hall - 14 Jan 2006 20:05 GMT
>You can, however, click on the email address in
>question, and Google will ask you for a code to enter (one of those
>graphic windows used to defeat spammers), then let you see the whole
>address.

I hope that it shows the Reply-To rather than the From address. (In any
other newsgroup, I would have said "hopefully", but I thought that might
be unwise here. :)
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John Hall

    "I am not young enough to know everything."
                                                Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

Ivan - 15 Jan 2006 00:54 GMT
> >You can, however, click on the email address in
> >question, and Google will ask you for a code to enter (one of those
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>      "I am not young enough to know everything."
>                                                  Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

It's the From address.

Ivan
Young Sociolinguist - 15 Jan 2006 17:36 GMT
Try as I might, I couldn't do it. The whole address is visible, but it
contains signs that cannot appear in an e-mail address, so that Outlook
Express refuses to send my message. Dear Pedt, if you are keen on
taking my survey, please send me an e-mail at spooky.fm@interia.pl
Thanks
John Hall - 15 Jan 2006 17:48 GMT
>Try as I might, I couldn't do it. The whole address is visible, but it
>contains signs that cannot appear in an e-mail address,
<snip>

That's because Google is evidently showing you Pedt's From address,
which contains those funny characters, and not his Reply-To address,
which doesn't, is valid, and is the one that should be used when sending
email responses. But if Google won't reveal it, you are rather stuck.
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John Hall

    "I am not young enough to know everything."
                                                Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

Molly Mockford - 15 Jan 2006 18:42 GMT
At 17:48:05 on Sun, 15 Jan 2006, John Hall <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk>
wrote in <26rg+2AVroyDFwCE@jhall.demon.co.uk>:

>>Try as I might, I couldn't do it. The whole address is visible, but it
>>contains signs that cannot appear in an e-mail address,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>which doesn't, is valid, and is the one that should be used when sending
>email responses. But if Google won't reveal it, you are rather stuck.

Yes, I've double-checked, and there seems to be no way to extract a
Reply-To address from GoogleGroups.  All the more reason to use properly
designed newsreader software.  (Or even Outlook Express.)
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Molly Mockford
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin
(My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.)

Ivan - 15 Jan 2006 19:17 GMT
> At 17:48:05 on Sun, 15 Jan 2006, John Hall <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk>
> wrote in <26rg+2AVroyDFwCE@jhall.demon.co.uk>:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin
> (My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.)

Yes, there is. Click on the "..." portion of the address in question.
Google will prompt you for a code. The it will return you to the
thread, where you have to find the message in question again. Then
click on "show options," then click on "show original." This will
contain both the from and Reply-To addresses.

Ivan
Molly Mockford - 15 Jan 2006 20:06 GMT
At 11:17:27 on Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Ivan <vorotyntsev@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1137352647.877808.56790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:

>> Yes, I've double-checked, and there seems to be no way to extract a
>> Reply-To address from GoogleGroups.  All the more reason to use properly
>> designed newsreader software.  (Or even Outlook Express.)

>Yes, there is. Click on the "..." portion of the address in question.
>Google will prompt you for a code. The it will return you to the
>thread, where you have to find the message in question again. Then
>click on "show options," then click on "show original." This will
>contain both the from and Reply-To addresses.

Heavens, what a palaver!
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Molly Mockford
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin
(My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.)

John Briggs - 15 Jan 2006 21:00 GMT
> At 11:17:27 on Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Ivan <vorotyntsev@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <1137352647.877808.56790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Heavens, what a palaver!

It makes you wonder if either the sequence of actions or the result were
intended.
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John Briggs

Young Sociolinguist - 16 Jan 2006 20:10 GMT
to Molly, Ivan and John:
Thank you ever so much. I finally managed to send the message. I
sometimes think my dog knows more about computers than I do : )
John Hall - 16 Jan 2006 20:37 GMT
>to Molly, Ivan and John:
>Thank you ever so much. I finally managed to send the message. I
>sometimes think my dog knows more about computers than I do : )

I don't blame you for struggling. Googlegroups seems to go out of its
way to make it difficult. If you except to be using newsgroups a lot,
and your ISP (Internet service provider) does not have a news server of
its own, then it could be worth your while investigating the news server
described here: http://news.individual.net  It costs 10 Euros a year,
and you can access it through Outlook Express (or other news reading
software of your choice).
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John Hall

    "I am not young enough to know everything."
                                                Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

John Hall - 16 Jan 2006 21:30 GMT
>>to Molly, Ivan and John:
>>Thank you ever so much. I finally managed to send the message. I
>>sometimes think my dog knows more about computers than I do : )
>>
>I don't blame you for struggling. Googlegroups seems to go out of its
>way to make it difficult. If you except

Sorry! In case you were confused, that was meant to be "expect", of
course.

<snip>
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John Hall

    "I am not young enough to know everything."
                                                Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

Pedt - 17 Jan 2006 10:49 GMT
In message <PTw+EAF9PAzDFwP2@jhall.demon.co.uk>, at 20:37:17 on Mon, 16
Jan 2006, John Hall <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> wibbled
>>to Molly, Ivan and John:
>>Thank you ever so much. I finally managed to send the message. I
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>and you can access it through Outlook Express (or other news reading
>software of your choice).

As he's in Poland, he could also have a look at news.gazeta.pl - signup
via www.gazeta.pl - free and pretty reliable IME.

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