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Discussion Groups / British English / June 2007what if one's pronounciation sounds archaic?
The s in resource now is pronounced z by most people, but according to one of my old dictionaries in the 70s, it is pronounced s. what if I pronounced in the old way? How will others look at me... Thanks, Zhengquan > The s in resource now is pronounced z by most people, but according to > one of my old dictionaries in the 70s, it is pronounced s. > > what if I pronounced in the old way? How will others look at me... No but as far as I'm concerned, if you pronounced it the 'new way' I would. I pronounce it 's' and I think that is how it should be: re and source not re and zource. Am Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:33:38 +0200 schrieb John of Aix: >> The s in resource now is pronounced z by most people, but according to >> one of my old dictionaries in the 70s, it is pronounced s. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > would. I pronounce it 's' and I think that is how it should be: re and > source not re and zource. Being a German, pronouncing an s between two vowels as a z, this sounds like a German accent, so I rather avoid it. Joachim Am Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:17:35 +0200 schrieb Joachim Pense: > Am Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:33:38 +0200 schrieb John of Aix: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Joachim On second thoughts - I wonder why this doesn't apply to the word "feasible" for me. Joachim Joachim Pense schrieb: > Am Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:17:35 +0200 schrieb Joachim Pense: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > On second thoughts - I wonder why this doesn't apply to the word > "feasible" for me. As a native English who pronounces both "resource" and "feasible" with a voiced "z" neither of these sounds German to me - indeed pronouncing "feasible" with a voiceless "s" would sound truly weird to me. Regards, Einde O'Callaghan > As a native English who pronounces both "resource" and "feasible" with a > voiced "z" neither of these sounds German to me - indeed pronouncing > "feasible" with a voiceless "s" would sound truly weird to me. I use unvoiced for "resource" and voiced for "feasible", but that might be peculiarly northern. Grease and lease (s), but please and tease (z). It's just the English language, inconsistent and ever- changing. What is de rigeur today is verboten tomorrow. Perfidious Albion, indeed, not to mention Shifty Villa and Untrustworthy City. Paul Burke > > As a native English who pronounces both "resource" and "feasible" > > with a voiced "z" neither of these sounds German to me - indeed > > pronouncing "feasible" with a voiceless "s" would sound truly > > weird to me. > I use unvoiced for "resource" and voiced for "feasible", but that > might be peculiarly northern. > Grease and lease (s), but please and tease (z). It's just the English > language, inconsistent and ever- changing. What is de rigeur today > is verboten tomorrow. Perfidious Albion, indeed, not to mention > Shifty Villa and Untrustworthy City. Grease might well be pronounced with an ess for the noun, but with a zed for the verb. I'd guess that not only does that principle apply to many words but that many words - whether nouns or verbs - are actually pronounced differently depending on context.  SignatureNew Marmite(TM): Not as thick! Not as dark! Not as te! David - toro-danyo atcost uku fullstop co fullstop uk http://www.toro-danyo.uku.co.uk/ >>> As a native English who pronounces both "resource" and "feasible" >>> with a voiced "z" neither of these sounds German to me - indeed [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Grease might well be pronounced with an ess for the noun, but with a > zed for the verb. Well, I certainly don't pronounce it with a zed (when I have occasion to use the word...) And I wouldn't pronounce the verb 'to lease' with a zed, either. SignatureJohn Briggs > >>> As a native English who pronounces both "resource" and "feasible" > >>> with a voiced "z" neither of these sounds German to me - indeed [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Grease might well be pronounced with an ess for the noun, but with > > a zed for the verb. > Well, I certainly don't pronounce it with a zed (when I have occasion > to use the word...) And I wouldn't pronounce the verb 'to lease' > with a zed, either. Doesn't that depend on which "lease" you're talking about? SignatureNew Marmite(TM): Not as thick! Not as dark! Not as te! David - toro-danyo atcost uku fullstop co fullstop uk http://www.toro-danyo.uku.co.uk/ > Grease might well be pronounced with an ess for the noun, but with a > zed for the verb. Not in any context I've come across in England. The ess pronunciation every time. SignatureMike Stevens narrowboat Felis Catus III web-site www.mike-stevens.co.uk Defend the waterways. Visit the web site www.saveourwaterways.org.uk > > Grease might well be pronounced with an ess for the noun, but with > > a zed for the verb. > Not in any context I've come across in England. The ess > pronunciation every time. Oh, well. I suppose I mustn't be English after all. Can't be Vulcan: my fingers don't split right. On the other hand, "greasy" often has the zed sound whenever I've heard it on English television or radio. (But I suppose it'll sound different from that to other English ears.) SignatureNew Marmite(TM): Not as thick! Not as dark! Not as te! David - toro-danyo atcost uku fullstop co fullstop uk http://www.toro-danyo.uku.co.uk/ David schrieb: >>>Grease might well be pronounced with an ess for the noun, but with >>>a zed for the verb. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > it on English television or radio. (But I suppose it'll sound different > from that to other English ears.) Yes, indeed. The "s" in "greasy" can be both voiced and voiceless - I think it's a regional thing. Regards, Einde O'Callaghan > David schrieb: > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Yes, indeed. The "s" in "greasy" can be both voiced and voiceless - I > think it's a regional thing. As can the 's' in the verb "grease" (I refer you to any decent dictionary). SignatureNew Marmite(TM): Not as thick! Not as dark! Not as te! David - toro-danyo atcost uku fullstop co fullstop uk http://www.toro-danyo.uku.co.uk/ > The s in resource now is pronounced z by most people Most people where? > what if I pronounced in the old way? How will others look at me... They will think you speak well. SignatureBlue Sow > > The s in resource now is pronounced z by most people > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > Blue Sow The Collins Cobuild English Dictionary pronounces the new way, and no other alternatives, and American English Dictionaries all pronounce the new way. And I heard it pronounced rezources on BBC R4 several times, maybe by younger people, though. That is great if s sound is still acceptable in resource. Can the s-z evolution be attributed to Americanism invasion? zhengquan schrieb: >>>The s in resource now is pronounced z by most people >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > That is great if s sound is still acceptable in resource. Can the s-z > evolution be attributed to Americanism invasion? My Longman's Dictionary of Contemporary English gives both pronunciations, but gives the s pronunciation as the only one used in America. The merriam Webster Online Dictionary gives both pronunciations but the example used in the WAV file is very definitely the pronunciation with the voiceless s <http://m-w.com/dictionary/resource>. Regards, Einde O'Callaghan On Jun 26, 4:29 pm, Einde O'Callaghan <einde.ocallag...@planet- interkom.de> wrote: > zhengquan schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Regards, Einde O'Callaghan Sorry, I made a mistake, Americans pronounce it with the stress on the first syllable, and with voiceless s. I misremembered. Zhengquan |
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