Dr WHO - etymology of Daleks
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FCS - 26 Aug 2008 18:04 GMT I remember at school there was a combined volume of "Billy Liar" and "The Loneliness of The Long Distance Runner" ubiquitous to the "English Rooms". I thought the latter to be the better story, better written; but Billy Liar had been made into a film and it should be a good preparation for comparing films to books in what would now be our GCSE curriculum, so it got both read-aloud, and screened, in front of an audience.
One reason, perhaps, was its "satire" of the medallion-sporting down-to-earth traditional business type - Councillor Duxbury - as well as its use of localish accents, including made up dialect, and it being written by a localish writer.
Certainly the character Shadrach, co-patron of Shadrach and Duxbury funeral services, had an affected Home Counties elision toward understating syllables into diphthongs with the repeated use of "vair" as an intensifier in adjectivals - "vair" = "very" for those unfamiliar with the texts, though any subtle allusions or perpendiculars to Cinderella-style fairy stories were, and indeed remain, lost on me.
Oranges do figure prominently though, and certainly the dusty, harsh sunlight of the fundamentalist assembly hall in Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit, which followed it some two decades or so later draws from observations on comparable proprieties in places.
But he was influential, and not just in The Regions, was Willis Hall, who later went on to adapt Barbara Euphan Todd's Worzel Gummidge series of insufferably anachronistic everyday children fairly well for a 1980s audience, and who also wrote Billy Liar (IIRC).
And television being less a case of who you know these days, as old Jezza insists, as who you can interest, Billy Liar's synchronicity with the emerging Science Fiction light drama Dr WHO amid a rapidly- changing society in which the firmest bastions of propriety romped with the most radical agents of persistent tradition dressed up as change in Swinging London, we're told.
Certainly Modern Mathematics was hitting schools all over the place, and the Reithian values of a bow-tie for the evening news called into question.
It was even the era in which The Queen's English was formally identified as a dialect with accent, and the prospect of worldwide, possibly eventual cosmic, galactic and universal localised broadcasting was muted over port, cigars and loosened ties in the footlit halls of prestige Universities where exciting new opportunities to make use of propagatory media to achieve philosophical and economic ends were no doubt debated with gusto with a sneaky insecurity about the fact the blighters might know some Marxian counter-ideals, in Scotland.
But the collapsed diphthong - in which a diphthong is formed to provide minimal phonetic cues to a longer word - from Billy Liar does, still, come over as an, albeit affected, social semiotic pertaining to the dignity and responsibility of assumed social status. It reminds me of Solihull, Cholmondley, Bicester and Featherstonehaugh simultaneously; all pronunciations a reliable acculturated BBC anchor or links man would be expected to know off pat and deliver without missing a beat.
As such, and if there is a link between "Daleks" and widespread post-war fears of robotic, programmed drones burdened with limited and monotonous, if hysterical, language capabilities, then can anyone refer me to any satires of Dr WHO itself in which this element is perhaps given the prominence it deserves.
Just let us not forget two languages have officially died this year alone already, and that's only because they had brief notes about them published in some journal or other prior to this happening--the ones we don't know about we are in danger of exterminating far past the point of lexical vestigiality, thugs that we are.
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Enzo Matrix - 26 Aug 2008 18:49 GMT > As such, and if there is a link between "Daleks" and > widespread post-war fears of robotic, programmed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > this element is perhaps given the prominence it > deserves. The Daleks were named so because Terry Nation looked at his copies of Encyclopedia Britannica and saw that one volume was labelled "DAL-LEK".
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Jeff Lawrence - 26 Aug 2008 18:53 GMT >> As such, and if there is a link between "Daleks" and >> widespread post-war fears of robotic, programmed [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The Daleks were named so because Terry Nation looked at his copies of > Encyclopedia Britannica and saw that one volume was labelled "DAL-LEK". Myth! http://www.whoniverse.org/monsters/daleks.php "'They were named after a set of encyclopedias' - At the time, writer Terry Nation told the press that he named them after an encyclopedia labelled DAL-LEK, but in fact he simply made up the name." Cheers Jeff
Enzo Matrix - 26 Aug 2008 19:00 GMT >>> As such, and if there is a link between "Daleks" and >>> widespread post-war fears of robotic, programmed [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Terry Nation told the press that he named them after an encyclopedia > labelled DAL-LEK, but in fact he simply made up the name." Well... if Terry says it was so but later retracted the story then his credibility is shot. Who knows *what* to believe? :-D
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gavin - 26 Aug 2008 19:10 GMT >>>> As such, and if there is a link between "Daleks" and >>>> widespread post-war fears of robotic, programmed [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Well... if Terry says it was so but later retracted the story then his > credibility is shot. Who knows *what* to believe? :-D gavin - 26 Aug 2008 19:20 GMT >>>>> As such, and if there is a link between "Daleks" and >>>>> widespread post-war fears of robotic, programmed [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> Well... if Terry says it was so but later retracted the story then his >> credibility is shot. Who knows *what* to believe? :-D Ooops - hit the wrong keys!
Jeff Lawrence - 26 Aug 2008 19:23 GMT >>>> As such, and if there is a link between "Daleks" and >>>> widespread post-war fears of robotic, programmed [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Well... if Terry says it was so but later retracted the story then his > credibility is shot. Who knows *what* to believe? :-D Apparently he wanted to make it "more romantic". I always thought it was an acronym. Cheers Jeff
Peter Duncanson - 26 Aug 2008 20:16 GMT >>>> As such, and if there is a link between "Daleks" and >>>> widespread post-war fears of robotic, programmed [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Well... if Terry says it was so but later retracted the story then his >credibility is shot. Who knows *what* to believe? :-D Surely the inventor of the Daleks is entitled to use a Tardis to travel back in time to change the origin of the name?
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John Briggs - 26 Aug 2008 19:24 GMT >> As such, and if there is a link between "Daleks" and >> widespread post-war fears of robotic, programmed [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Encyclopedia Britannica and saw that one volume was labelled > "DAL-LEK". DAL-EK - except that it wasn't Britannica, and I have never found an encyclopaedia with such a label. I think we have to conclude that it is a myth.
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Enzo Matrix - 26 Aug 2008 19:27 GMT >>> As such, and if there is a link between "Daleks" and >>> widespread post-war fears of robotic, programmed [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > encyclopaedia with such a label. I think we have to conclude that it > is a myth. Don't care. It's a nice story! :-D
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
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Sam Nelson - 26 Aug 2008 20:42 GMT > > As such, and if there is a link between "Daleks" and > > widespread post-war fears of robotic, programmed [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The Daleks were named so because Terry Nation looked at his copies of > Encyclopedia Britannica and saw that one volume was labelled "DAL-LEK". Bpllocks. That myth was debumked in the 10th-anniversary magazine, in 1973.
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John Hall - 26 Aug 2008 19:14 GMT In article <e4e096db-b2b8-414f-8648-3a13cc46639a@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, <snip>
>But he was influential, and not just in The Regions, >was Willis Hall, who later went on to adapt >Barbara Euphan Todd's Worzel Gummidge >series of insufferably anachronistic everyday >children fairly well for a 1980s audience, and who >also wrote Billy Liar (IIRC). <snip>
You remember incorrectly. "Billy Liar" was written by Keith Waterhouse.
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John Briggs - 26 Aug 2008 19:31 GMT > In article > <e4e096db-b2b8-414f-8648-3a13cc46639a@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You remember incorrectly. "Billy Liar" was written by Keith > Waterhouse. Willis Hall co-wrote the play (credited as co-writer after Waterhouse) and TV series, and is credited as primary co-writer of the film screenplay.
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John Hall - 26 Aug 2008 20:21 GMT >> In article >> <e4e096db-b2b8-414f-8648-3a13cc46639a@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >and TV series, and is credited as primary co-writer of the film >screenplay. Thanks. I was thinking of the novel.
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John Briggs - 26 Aug 2008 19:46 GMT > In article > <e4e096db-b2b8-414f-8648-3a13cc46639a@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You remember incorrectly. "Billy Liar" was written by Keith > Waterhouse. Worzel Gummidge was also a collaboration with Waterhouse.
You would have done better to query the grammatical structure of that sentence :-)
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John Hall - 26 Aug 2008 20:23 GMT >> In article >> <e4e096db-b2b8-414f-8648-3a13cc46639a@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >You would have done better to query the grammatical structure of that >sentence :-) Life's too short to attempt to correct FCS's grammar. :)
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John Briggs - 26 Aug 2008 19:51 GMT > But the collapsed diphthong - in which a diphthong > is formed to provide minimal phonetic cues to a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > or links man would be expected to know off pat > and deliver without missing a beat. "Featherstonehaugh" is a myth.
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John Briggs - 26 Aug 2008 19:56 GMT > But he was influential, and not just in The Regions, > was Willis Hall, who later went on to adapt > Barbara Euphan Todd's Worzel Gummidge > series of insufferably anachronistic everyday > children fairly well for a 1980s audience, and who > also wrote Billy Liar (IIRC). Willis Hall is probably best known for "The Long and the Short and the Tall", although the film screenplay is credited to Wolf Mankowitz (Willis Hall credited for "Additional dialogue" - there must be a story there...) and the director was Barry Norman's father.
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Halmyre - 26 Aug 2008 21:46 GMT In article <e4e096db-b2b8-414f-8648- 3a13cc46639a@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, sipston_777@my-deja.com says...
> But the collapsed diphthong - in which a diphthong > is formed to provide minimal phonetic cues to a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > or links man would be expected to know off pat > and deliver without missing a beat. So how is Solihull pronounced then? I always think of it as "solly-hull"...
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Einde O'Callaghan - 26 Aug 2008 22:55 GMT > In article <e4e096db-b2b8-414f-8648- > 3a13cc46639a@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, sipston_777@my-deja.com says... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So how is Solihull pronounced then? I always think of it as "solly-hull"... According to Wikipedia it's pronounced that way and also with a long "o".
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Sam Nelson - 27 Aug 2008 08:35 GMT > > So how is Solihull pronounced then? I always think of it as "solly-hull"... > > > According to Wikipedia it's pronounced that way and also with a long "o". > > Regards, Einde O'Callaghan A lesson on pronunciation from someone called `Einde'? Irony, I calls it.
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Einde O'Callaghan - 27 Aug 2008 12:23 GMT >>> So how is Solihull pronounced then? I always think of it as "solly-hull"... >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > A lesson on pronunciation from someone called `Einde'? Irony, I calls it. No - a non-English name spelled in the original form.
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Sam Nelson - 27 Aug 2008 12:49 GMT > >>> So how is Solihull pronounced then? I always think of it as "solly-hull"... > >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No - a non-English name spelled in the original form. Can't take a tease, then?
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AC - 27 Aug 2008 01:49 GMT > In article <e4e096db-b2b8-414f-8648- > 3a13cc46639a@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, sipston_777@my-deja.com says... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > So how is Solihull pronounced then? I always think of it as > "solly-hull"... I'd go with Soiled Hole.
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Halmyre - 27 Aug 2008 07:23 GMT > > In article <e4e096db-b2b8-414f-8648- > > 3a13cc466...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, sipston_...@my-deja.com says... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - That's nice to know, but how do you pronounce Solihull?
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Mike Henry - 27 Aug 2008 18:18 GMT >That's nice to know, but how do you pronounce Solihull? Me? Sole-ee-hull, with the L in sole pronounced the same way Michael Howard says the 2nd part of people ("pee-pull") :-)
Halmyre - 27 Aug 2008 20:55 GMT > >That's nice to know, but how do you pronounce Solihull? > > Me? Sole-ee-hull, with the L in sole pronounced the same way Michael > Howard says the 2nd part of people ("pee-pull") :-) Solly-hull, sole-ee-hull, who cares, let's just call the whole thing off.
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John Briggs - 28 Aug 2008 00:12 GMT >> In >> <b6623d84-65d8-4a1a-a181-641710546963@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Solly-hull, sole-ee-hull, who cares, let's just call the whole thing > off. Does anyone ever say 'potahto'?
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Halmyre - 28 Aug 2008 16:45 GMT > >> In > >> <b6623d84-65d8-4a1a-a181-641710546963@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Does anyone ever say 'potahto'? About as often as I say "tom-ay-toe"
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John Briggs - 28 Aug 2008 18:26 GMT >>>> In >>>> <b6623d84-65d8-4a1a-a181-641710546963@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > About as often as I say "tom-ay-toe" Yes, but I said *anyone*.
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